30-04-2002 14:29									#631
	Tired of ads?

Just played a game with 2.12A. Seems no civs but the expansionist civs built any cities at all. Russians, Americans, English all had tons of cities around 190BC. All other civs in the game, who were not expansionistic, only had their capitals at size 13,14. Just thought I'd mention it

---------
erm, nm that, just found the problem. Seems that somehow, dont ask me how, the Aegis cruiser had just gotten copied over the settler slot in the editor, when I was looking around on the units.
Managed to replicate it aswell, so I wont do it again

I had the scroll list open, when searching by pressing keys, e.g. c for cruise missile. Somehow, the settler then got replaced this way.

Last edited by Apollon on 30-04-2002 at 15:30

	30-04-2002 17:47									#632
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Well that is a new one. I have never heard of that. Can you send me a copy of your saved game here? Also did you make any changes to the BIC?

	30-04-2002 18:26									#633
	what? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

That is something I have never run across at all. Seen many problems with Civ3 and our mod but that is not one of them. I would sooner think wrong installation of mod rather then this happeneing. But who knows could be some new quirk. Civ3 has more dumb bugs for a high rated game that I personally have EVER seen. 1.21f fixed the bugs of 1.17f and created some new strange ones.
Be sure to check your installation of the Balancer mod. Not trying to insult you or anything. I throughly test the mod for all sorts of problems. I am the one who finds the wierdest ones. Ask Elucidus
I am very interested in looking at your BIC to see what is going on. Thanks for the feedback.

	01-05-2002 07:21									#634
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Replicated it a few more times, this time with dreadnaught, cruise missile and some other stuff, same procedure. Cant **** it up in any other way so far

btw, when's 2.15 coming?

	01-05-2002 15:50									#635
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

oh, and it seems like the missile cruiser/frigate is a land unit by default, cause I haven't changed it in the editor.

	01-05-2002 22:56									#636
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Do you have 2.12A or B? I believe B fixes that Missile Cruiser thing.

As far as 2.15, like I said 1.21f screwed some things up so, we are working diligently trying to get it straightened out. We can always use a new tester, interested? If so send me an email.

	05-05-2002 04:31									#637
	Wonder splash pictures Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Tried to email these to you but I couldn't for some reason. Try these out for size.

Arc de triomphe

Attachment: arc de triomphe01.jpg
This has been downloaded 340 time(s).

	05-05-2002 04:33									#638
	wonder splashes Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

arc de triomphe again

Attachment: arc de triomphe.jpg
This has been downloaded 338 time(s).

	05-05-2002 04:36									#639
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Edison's Lab

Attachment: edisonlab.jpg
This has been downloaded 338 time(s).

	05-05-2002 04:39									#640
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Einstein's Lab

Attachment: einsteinlab.jpg
This has been downloaded 334 time(s).

	05-05-2002 04:41									#641
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Gulag

Attachment: gulag.jpg
This has been downloaded 336 time(s).

	05-05-2002 04:42									#642
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Hammurabi

Attachment: hammurabi.jpg
This has been downloaded 340 time(s).

	05-05-2002 04:44									#643
	Increase Your PM Length

Hippodrome

Attachment: hippodrome.jpg
This has been downloaded 332 time(s).

	05-05-2002 04:46									#644
	Support Apolyton

Internment Camp

Attachment: internment.jpg
This has been downloaded 333 time(s).

	05-05-2002 04:47									#645
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

The Prince

Attachment: machiavelli.jpg
This has been downloaded 327 time(s).

	05-05-2002 04:49									#646
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Master Race

Attachment: masterrace.jpg
This has been downloaded 330 time(s).

	05-05-2002 09:54									#647
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

I cannot unzip 2.15 Beta because WinZip says i need the correct password. What gives? Your download site did not say I need a password to try this Mod.

	05-05-2002 15:51									#648
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Promethius, currently version 2.12B is the last public release of the mod, although if you would lie to help out with the testing of teh Beta please email either myself or Elucidus and we can send you the password. We need all the help we can get, so feel free to join in!

	05-05-2002 18:40									#649
	great new wonder splashes! Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Excellent new wonder splashes I bet Elucidus will love those. Thanks a lot for your efforts be nice to see that part of mod complete.

	06-05-2002 04:45									#650
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by Allondro Master Race

Allondro, these are great. Could you perchance zip them up and put them up here? JPEGs just don't have the same quality and would look distorted, so I would rather not "save as" your pictures.

	07-05-2002 20:14									#651
	Changes to game play with mod Tired of ads?

I thought I would mention some things about this great mod that some may not realize to really help you enjoy the new style of game play provided by the Balancer mod. Elucidus has added numerous new military units, new wonders with splash screens, new resources including new graphics on some old resources. The game play has changed slightly making the game much more fun then it was. In our opinion. We are still looking for feedback to make changes for everyone enjoyment. Keep Elucidus informed on what you think about the mod and/or changes you would like to see. Below is a little explaination about certain aspects of the mod. If you havn't tried the balancer check it out. It is unique amoung all the mods out there. IMHO

Elucidus wanted to either stop or slow down AI sprawl in the game. Making player have a reason to switch goverments. The rate cap for despotism is 6 in order to do better research you must switch goverments. You no longer loose large amounts of cash doing so. Religious nations will have no problem switching, transition is immediate. However other nations will have to wait 1-6 turns for transition to new goverment.
The first thing you do when starting out and/or building new cities is build a worker. Control him to be sure he irrigates a good tile if possible right away. Due to a bug that still exsists with the governor in some cities not all, he will do production instead of food. This could cause a RED color to appear in the city size number slot. (Shortage) If your city is size 7-14 this could happen be careful about this. Workers need to irrigate about 70% of the tiles in the city square. Again this is not the mod causing these problems it is a bug with the governor. If you do start having trouble try telling governor to do only food, if that doesn't work turn the governor off for monitoring production. You will have to manually place workers from production tiles to food tiles through the city screen. Next patch should fix this we hope anyways.

Many new resources have been added. One new one needs some explaination. This is hemp it is used for Strategic purposes mainly, but also has food and commerce values. This is copied from the real world all documented. You will need hemp in order to build the ships that require sails etc. Hemp seeds are very high in protein providing only 1 food. The commercial value comes in because hemp can be used for over 50,000 different types of products used in manufacturing of many other products. You will find hemp in final version on all terrain but Tundra and desert.

Okay I just wanted to cover a few things that may have not been mentioned to everyone before. Enjoy! :

Last edited by Desert Dog on 09-05-2002 at 01:55

	07-05-2002 22:30									#652
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Godd review DD. That actually cleared a couple of things up for me, and I have been helping out with the mod!

	08-05-2002 06:53									#653
	Wonder splashes Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Here is the zip file with all the above pictures. These convert well into pcx format with Photoshop. Let me know if you want me to email them to you.

Cheers!

Allondro

Attachment: splash.zip
This has been downloaded 7 time(s).

	08-05-2002 07:39									#654
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

yeah bud, I can't seem to download it off of the site, if you could email it to me I would appreciate it. I would like to include it in the release of 2.15 that I hope to do this Friday.

	09-05-2002 07:43									#655
	Crash in 2.12B Get a bigger avatar today!

Hello, when I wasn't able to even start a game with the beta I tried out the latest public version...
I have a reproducable crash... is Napoleonic Code broken? (that's what I'm about to build when the game crashes)... saved game is attached.

Game was otherwise stable so far...

Attachment: lincoln of the americans, 1150 ad.sav
This has been downloaded 1 time(s).

	09-05-2002 08:54									#656
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Um, yeah it is broke. The entry was mysteriously left out of the pediaicons file. I am sorry, I didn't realize the problem was in 2.12 as well as 2.15 (where it was Identified by one of the testers).

Attachment: pediaicons.txt
This has been downloaded 19 time(s).

	11-05-2002 04:16									#657
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by Elucidus Um, yeah it is broke. The entry was mysteriously left out of the pediaicons file. I am sorry, I didn't realize the problem was in 2.12 as well as 2.15 (where it was Identified by one of the testers).

If an AI player tries to build it will the game also crash?

	11-05-2002 09:41									#658
	Suffering from ads?

Yes. In my current game the French just built it and the game crashed. But the fix works for player and AI.

	12-05-2002 02:53									#659
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Ah, what fix? You mean something besides the 2.15 beta?

	12-05-2002 17:45									#660
	Tired of ads?

Fix Fix Fix Fix...

How much Fixés did they bring out? 12.99??

Over 6 motnh since release, and the newest version wasn´t free of bugs...

For THIS price, i won´t buy a Original...

Didn´t they perfect a game before release???

Where´s the perfect updateversionfree games from early 90´s?

Ah... we live in Capitalism... yeah... time is money... each day they can release earlier, they can made more money...

Really really really bad work @ Fireaxis AND Civ-Godfather Sid Meier...

Since this game, Sid was my favourite gameautor...

CivIII is nice, really, but only coded to get MORE money...
No MP... a very light editor.... Hey, for 60€, I can await a full stabil MP-strategie... not this '$%&"

Sorry

p.s.: my english is bad *g*