30-03-2002 05:17									#541
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Well 2.11A is out. This fixes all known problems and a few mistakes I made, like having the engineer require iron.


Get the upgrade here.

Or download the full version here.

Let me know if you run into any problems and I'll fix them as soon as possible.

Enjoy.

	01-04-2002 09:38									#542
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

To anyone who would like to help us test the new combat model, send me an email.

This is still preliminary, as we want to see how the stats work out in general before we decide the exact stats.

This also tests some terrain balancing. Again just send me an email and I'll get you the file.

	02-04-2002 21:18									#543
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What a HUGH difference from the orignal game. It takes on a whole new way of playing due to the added wonders, terrain modifications, new units. Just alittle more tweaking and this will be one of the best mods out there currently (in my opinion) I think it is now but I may be bias

	03-04-2002 03:05									#544
	Put an end to popups!

Thanks Desert Dog, glad to hear you are enjoying it. Hope you keep enjoying it. Type at you guys later.

	03-04-2002 06:58									#545
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

It's great to see that the balancer mod is still alive and well. For while there it seemed as if there were going to be no more updates. I'd like to say first off if it had not been for this mod I would have quit playing civilization 3 awhile ago. Anyway I had been just sticking to the normal version as with the new changes with the patches the mod did not seem as necessary.

But now that I've had the chance to download the newer version of the balancer I'm glad I did. It's still alot of fun to play, with the new units and what-not which have been added. I'd like to say that you guys are doing a great job with it. Keeps getting better and better. Although I've not been able to play through an entire game with the new version yet, I hope to get that finished later tonight.

By far this is one of the best MOD's i've used for Civ3.

So keep up the good work!

Chaing

	03-04-2002 08:25									#546
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Thanks, that means a lot. Glad we could help out and I am happy to hear how much you enjoy it. That is the whole point afterall. Any feedback on how we could improve it? It doesn't have to be constructive.

	03-04-2002 08:46									#547
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

I have not checked your mod lately so excuse me if what I'm suggesting has already been implemented.

It seems later in the game the value of forests is such that everyone chops them down as mines have better advantages. Would it not be wise to some how implement an advantage to having forests but not so much as to the whole world going in a forest frenzy and everyone builds them. We look at the world today and see how valuable a forest is to the survival of the planet. Is this a good idea or not ?

	03-04-2002 09:36									#548
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Well I have been considering that very concept. In fact, it has been to make all of the terrain more distinct. Given there are some types of terrain that are better than others, but I didn't want forests to be uterly useless, although with the advent of railroads I don't think there is anything I can do about that. We are still working out the balancing act of the terrain tiles, the last setting I had was a little too low, it was pretty fun but caused very slow growth and production. I think we have the growth down now, maybe an adjustment or two, but to get the production balanced is a bigger issue, because everything that has anything to do with shields is involved.

Thanks for the feedback, BTW, we do appreciate it.

	04-04-2002 11:33									#549
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I've been playing the latest version and have noticed each civ in my game has a huge amount of money. I'm still in the first age (500AD now) and we all have between 500 and 1000 gold. Whats the reasoning behind this ?? I'm just curious. Great mod so far.

	04-04-2002 18:30									#550
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I believe that is the result of the extra food we gave. The next update (not patch fix) will change the terrain stats, so that won't be a problem. We are still working out the exact stats, but we are very close.

	04-04-2002 19:47									#551
	Worth while! Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by Elucidus Thanks, that means a lot. Glad we could help out and I am happy to hear how much you enjoy it. That is the whole point afterall. Any feedback on how we could improve it? It doesn't have to be constructive.

This makes all those hours of testing all worth while . Elucidus has really made a marked improvement to civ3 with this mod. There are some other good mods, but not like this one. Of course this mod does not crash like some others do. Elucidus is dedicated to making this mod completely balanced as possible with his new combat system. Well I have a bias opinion I suppose just try out the mod yourself. It is still in beta keep in mind.

	06-04-2002 05:49									#552
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I just had a crash. I'm into the industrial age and have just built newtons college. I receive 2 free advances, I select Steam Power and then communism. After being told my scientists have researched communism the game then crashes. Is it a known issue ? or just a freak crash ?

	06-04-2002 08:58									#553
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I am about to post 2.11B, if that doesn't fix your problem, send your savegame here


EDIT: You can get 2.11B here.

2.11B basically is a few fixes. It is just a patch update so no need to downoad the multiple meg file just for that. I am looking at releasing 2.12, which adds a couple of early naval units, but I am trying to finish up one of the animations for it first.

Last edited by Elucidus on 06-04-2002 at 09:37

	06-04-2002 22:40									#554
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I tried replaying from the last autosave point and this went through past the point of the last crash and am everything is fine. Can I use 2.11b with my 2.11a save game??

	07-04-2002 01:03									#555
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yes, 2.11B should be fine with the other savegames.

Glad it cleared up for you./ Let me know if you have any other problems.

	07-04-2002 06:20									#556
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Getting a strange crash here now. It's in the early modern era and all of a sudden I cannot change build orders UNLESS they have been completed and I'm prompted to change, or approve what the 'mayor' has chosen to build.

Anyway If I select 'change production' from the popup menu or zoom to the city and try to change it that way, Civ3 crashes instantly. (Program fault) Anyway I dont really think the MOD itself is to blame, but I can send a copy of the save-game and you can see if you get the same problem as well.

It's really annoying.

Chaing

	07-04-2002 07:32									#557
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I think there is a lot of myth about Facism tied to Mussolini "making the trains run on time." People tend to see Facism, while autocratic, as highly efficient and productive. In reality, this is untrue. Facist Italy and Nazi Germany suffered rampant corruption, horrible inefficiency and massive economic problems. The massive military build-up and wars were the only things the leaders could do to galvanize industry and keep the countries afloat. I would give Facism very high corruption values and very poor economic values. I really don't see a difference between it and Despotism.

Then please explain how England, the US, France, AND Russia all had to team up to beat just Italy and Germany?

I'd make Fascism have high corruption but democracy style commerce. Easy military support and no war weariness, but however, extra unhappy people.

	07-04-2002 20:11									#558
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Chaing,

Please send you savegame here. It sounds like a corrupt icon in the Units32.pcx. I'm sorry about the problem. Do you have the latest version loaded?

	07-04-2002 22:38									#559
	Got spare money?

Well Having a bit of trouble with my e-mail at the moment, so I'll be unable to send it for a few days. It always happens after the discovery of flight and seems to be when I build bombers.

Does any of that help?

Chaing

	08-04-2002 06:42									#560
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Bombers? Flight? No I didn't really do anything with that. Were you building a Dreadnaught or an engineer by chance?

	08-04-2002 07:18									#561
	Remove this text

Well it could have been any of the other MODS I installed ( Had a few which I removed. ) anyway the bomber icon is corrupted in the build que and a few other icons are incorrect. I'll just uninstall and reinstall to see if that will fix it and hope for the best!

Chaing

	08-04-2002 10:18									#562
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Well some of the icons for units "being built" are incorrect, but they are random and it seems it is a civ3.exe problem. I say that because it gets those icons from the same place it gets all of the other unit icons and some of the unit's icons are right some are not (meaning for example the bomber icon will display correctly in the build queue menu, but when it is being built or sitting in a city it will not). There is nothing I know of that will fix this. I guess it is a side-effect of the mod, until the exe is fixed.

	08-04-2002 19:08									#563
	Put an end to popups!

Before anything:sorry for my bad english

Iwant to congratulate whit the people had make this mod.

Its wondeful

I found a little problem,but I dunno if ya alredy know it(read all the reply of this post is toooooo boring ):

when I finish to build the "Napoleonic Code" the game crash!!

Ihope you could find this post some useful.

Byez

	08-04-2002 21:28									#564
	Put an end to popups!

Well Elucidus it seems I took care of the problem. I uninstalled Civ3 and removed everything from the old directory. Then reinstalled The balancer and now I do not have that problem anymore. I'm guessing that the crash was being caused by one of the other mods I had installed (over the balancer).

Anyway once again I'm playing Civ3 crash free again, we'll see how long that lasts.

Should I find any other problems I'll list them here. I mean no one can fix them if no one says anything.



Chaing

	08-04-2002 22:09									#565
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Did I say that I love your mod?

But I can't automate prisoners.

	08-04-2002 22:52									#566
	Increase Your PM Length

Slim,

I will look into that wonder image tonight and get back to you.

Chaing,

Glad everything cleared up. Let m eknow if it crops up again and when.

Tori,

Glad to hear you are enjoying it, that is the whole point afterall. As far as that prisoner thing. I will see what I can do. I probably forgot to enable it in the editor. Sorry about that. I'll let you know though.

	09-04-2002 00:01									#567
	Strange crashes Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I love the mod, but some of the effects are wierd. I can't build explorers. The game crashes to desktop when production of one is complete. The other civs can build them though. I have crashed twice after entering goody huts. I also crashed after building a settler. I am playing on a fresh install with only your mod added. I've attatched the latest crash save. Thanks!

Attachment: civilization iii autosave 270 ad.zip
This has been downloaded 4 time(s).

	09-04-2002 01:20									#568
	Inflate your Upload Space

Wow. That is odd. Maybe you had a bad download. Have you installed the latest version? Either way I will check into this when I get home today. Sorry about the problems.

	09-04-2002 04:45									#569
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I can build explorers no problem from your save. Maybe send me the BIC you are using and I'll check that out. Although it sounds like you have a bad unit animation. I hadn't done anything with the explorer so if you want I can send you the animations I have for it, and that should clear it up. Also before going in any goody huts save it and if it crashes when you enter send me the save file. Without that I can't troubleshoot the problem.

	09-04-2002 08:22									#570
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Found out exactly what caused my problem. I installed the WW2 mod over the balancer awhile back, I guess there are some changes that 'dont get along'. However My save-games would not load correctly after reinstalling the game/mod. No big deal however.

I fired up a game on warlord just to try everything out, got past the entire bomber issue without any problems at all. (And I had no clue how effective bombing the hell out of your enemy before attacking was.)

Bombardment isn't all that bad, it seems to work better with the bomber aircraft or artillery instead of naval ships. But hey, I never cared for naval bombardment anyway.

So now things are running smoothly again, just felt the need to let everyone know.

And with those words I must return to assuring the Glory of mighty Rome, Have some pesky backstabbing chinese to deal with.

Chaing