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edit by markg: thank you dangering this site...
Last edited by MarkG on 28-11-2001 at 18:17
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joker_civ3ger
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I knew that he tried to fool me, I read ALL his posts in this thread before the first of mine. After I read the crap he has written I knew that he is a fake. He thinks it's cool, but for me it's just as lame as a lil child can be! 
Last edited by joker_civ3ger on 28-11-2001 at 18:31
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Adm.Naismith
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Milano - Italy
Oct 1999
time: 06:16
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quote:
Originally posted by ColdFever
The legal fee was not $500, it was about $850. But Infogrames signaled to take over this amount for their lawyers to show goodwill. The identical amount of course I have to pay for my lawyer, according to the German table of lawyer fees. The other c&d-order to the fansite admins was replaced by a non-disclosure agreement after they fulfilled certain core demands.
Yes. the 10000$ penalty now is due for every MOD I would do of Civ3 or I would support or encourage to distribute. |
Ok, this put the final nail in the coffin of my future support by MOD of Civ 3 
MarkG, I have enjoyed your (and DanQ) site for more of a couple of years. Usually I had liked a lot, sometime not, but I have a "positive feeling" with the site and its community in general.
So I hope you consider to shut down your file section: let's admit it , you are risking a legal action just for your support of the game, from the same people should award you two for yours efforts (and most of the game community, too).
I understand you risk to lost hits while removing mod/map files, but as the things are twisting you and everyone in Internet Game Community should step back from this kind of Civ 3 support.
Until Firaxis AND Infogrames clearly define what a fan can and what can't do with the game "largely editable" feature, I humbly suggest you to play the safe side.
Come on, it's only a game: it doesn't deserve a thousand of YOURS dollars just for the sake of freedom of speach or the right to squeeze more enjoyment from it with some modify. 
On a side note, I want to support Dan Magaha in this particular case: please don't shot on him. Send message directly to Firaxis boss, not against someone who can't control this mess at all.
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EEKthedog
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Groningen, Netherlands
Nov 2001
time: 06:16
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To add it up some more,
This quote was posted in this thread before:
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From Civilization III License AgreementOTHER RESTRICTIONS: You may not cause or permit the disclosure, copying, renting, licensing, sublicensing, leasing, dissemination or other distribution of the Software or the Documentation by any means or in any form, without the prior written consent of Infogrames Interactive. You may not modify, enhance, supplement, create derivative work from, adapt, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise reduce the Software to human readable form.
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And now this: http://www.civ3.com/devupdate.cfm
Now an official statement from Firaxis/Infrogames would really be needed.
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madmario
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Ithaca, NY
Aug 2001
time: 05:16
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Originally posted by MarkG
and what could Firaxis say while the lawsuit is still going on?
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so unless the legal issue is settled(and in a positive way, e.g. Kai doesnt pay anything nor is he claimed responsible for any future sales losses), then any kind of assurement by firaxis (alone) that "everything is just fine" wouldnt make much of a difference.
bottom line, as a public issue, this was started by infogrames and can only end by infogrames. |
An action by Firaxis that said in no uncertain terms that the game was designed and intended to be modified by fans and these mods were to be distributed freely among fans, including text messages, would muddle any legal ground Infogrames had against Kai, and against anyone else. The issue would be in court (at least in an American court) that the consumer, average joe consumer, shouldn't have to differentiate between the publisher and developer, and could have been entrapped by one end and acted on my another. Of course, this is exactly why Firaxis can't/won't act (it would be very, very bad business, possibly devastatingly bad business, to not back up, or at least not challenge, Infogrames).
I'm not talking about an "everything's fine." I'm talking about spelling out what is cool and what isn't, and most importantly why the box and manual indicate that (this is of course least likely).
This whole matter is incredibly dumb. A most underwhelming start to CIV3.
-mario
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ScottVib
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Here is one of those quotes:
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Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
I don't (and I doubt anyone else on the team does, either) take any of it personally. This is a game that is designed to appeal to a broad base of consumers, from casual gamers to RTS players who never really played TBS games, to diehard Civ players. Each group will have its own concerns, likes, dislikes, and so on. And it really is impossible to please everyone all the time, so if folks want to hack around and change things, I say go for it.
The purpose of our products are to entertain people, and nothing more. If folks get enjoyment by modding, hacking, or otherwise changing the game, more power to them.
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Hope this doesn't get Dan in trouble the thread and the context is here: http://apolyton.com/forums/showthre...&highlight=Hack
Now if Firaxis employees are encouraging people to make changes that technically would violate the liscence agreement is that seen as giving permission? How does this fit in with what Infogrames is doing?
Just something to ponder.
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Yes I am a newbie 
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Epigonoi
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Your heavy handed tactics apall me ... I'm sorry I bought the stupid game ... I love civ but I can be content with playing freeciv or any other variation - yes, you can go after the open source developers too, but that will just rail up the backlash against you even more ...
It irks me to no end to see the blatant abuse of IP and copyright like this - the electronic realm is a new and different world, and applying traditional industrial printing press paradigms to an entirely different model is absolutely absurd.
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Deathray
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High Wycombe
Oct 2001
time: 05:16
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Well, this sucks. In fact, I think someone should make Infogrames aware of this thread. I also think that Firaxis should dump Infogrames. Civilization 3 is a great game and definitely worthy to be the concluding part of the Civilization series, so Firaxis should just tell Infogrames to shove their precious franchise and go and get the Alpha Centuarii brand the recognition it deserves with a good sequel.
This sort of business practice is very low. The fact is that Infogrames are just trying to milk as much out of people as possible. I live in the UK and when I compare our retail prices with those elsewhere it sickens me. Telecommunications, electrical goods, software, food, everything is overpriced. Unfortunately most companies think of globalisation as just another tool to exploit, and not what it should be, which is a way for consumers and workers everywhere to get the best deals.
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duuk
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Riverview, MI, USA
Nov 2001
time: 00:16
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You currently carry a software title "Civilization 3" which clearly states on the box that it includes an "editor which allows you to change ANYTHING". The publisher has since sued an end user for attempting to modify the game. As such, and as the editor does NOT allow "anything" to be changed, I would ask that you take action to protect yourselves from the publisher's errors and omissions. You, as a leading retailer of software (Best Buy and MediaPlay and FYE) could show that you support proper documentation of products which you carry, especially as your customers cannot return this product to the store due to copyright restrictions. Your help in this matter is greatly appreciated, and I trust that you hold truth in advertising to be as important as I do.
Eric S Johnson, Riverview, MI
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The above was sent to customer service for Best Buy/MediaPlay/FYE. I would encourage you to send similiar letters to other retailers. If you want to hit Infogrames where it hurts, hit them on the distribution end. If major retailers charge back their products to prevent them from being in a "truth in advertising" suit, IG will have a serious problem on their hands. After all, Civ3 isn't exactly flying off the shelves, so BestBuy doesn't lose much by dumping it, but DOES gain the ability to get a headline as a "leading protector of consumer rights".
Duuk
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