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And after a while the Coalition is going to realise that some their members are slightly less than savoury (Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran etc.), and then all hell will break loose. Is it just me or does anyone else think that Syria (sponsors of among others Hamas), just joined the Coalition to try and avoid the fallout of Sept 11th, and that they really have no intention to stop Islamic terrorist groups in any way, shape or form?
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Giancarlo
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Los Angeles
Apr 2000
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Originally posted by faded glory
For some of you who have not heard yet..This is like WWIII.
Israel bombing Palestine......USA bombing Afghanistan...preparing to move on Iraq (I know it were going to do it!)
Ethiopia moves army into Somalia. Tho this move hasnt been confirmed by reporters (only somali civilians) I can understand why considering the state Somalia is in. I doubt there is a reporter in the country. And getting an answer from the Ethiopian defense ministry is like talking to a wall. |
WWIII? Hahaha... very funny. Against who. Actual nations with functioning economies? The chances against the US is what Manuel Noriega had... 0-1,000,000,000,000,000,000, there was no way he had enough power to even put up one battle.
Ethopia's Army? Ethopia has a army? I never knew that.
WWII, was a fight between the USSR, Nazi Germany, French Resistance and the US. This doesn't even stack up to a world war.
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Saint Marcus
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Scio Me Nihil Scire
Jan 1970
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WWII, was a fight between the USSR, Nazi Germany, French Resistance and the US. |
What about Britain? Italy? Japan? etc, etc, etc, etc. Funny that you include the French resistance but happen to forget the British.
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WWIII? Hahaha... very funny. Against who. Actual nations with functioning economies? The chances against the US is what Manuel Noriega had... 0-1,000,000,000,000,000,000, there was no way he had enough power to even put up one battle. |
The USA lost in Vietnam didn't they? And the invasion of Cuba went so well too. Or how about the time the US sent troops to Somalia? 
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Giancarlo
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Los Angeles
Apr 2000
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Originally posted by Mark L
What about Britain? Italy? Japan? etc, etc, etc, etc. Funny that you include the French resistance but happen to forget the British. |
Sorry, I meant to put that in my edit the second time.
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The USA lost in Vietnam didn't they? And the invasion of Cuba went so well too. Or how about the time the US sent troops to Somalia? |
The US won every battle in Vietnam, but it was just costing too many.
Cuba... the US never invaded Cuba, the CIA trained Cuban Exiles. The time US troops were sent to Somalia was nothing, absolutely nothing. Certainly, Mr. Pessimistic over here, did not say anything about the thousands of Somalis who were killed because they attacked the US rangers. How many US rangers were killed? Not many.
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That's cause you're stupid. They have the biggest army in Africa. |
And you are a dumb****, Ethopia's Army collapsed in the early 1990s, and it was completely rebuilt. There isn't much. Probably 100,000.
And Egypt has the largest army in Africa, you idiot.
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Saint Marcus
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Scio Me Nihil Scire
Jan 1970
time: 06:16
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[quote]Ethiopia's Army is around 100,000[quote]
Oh really?
The following is a review of the portion of the interview I did on
Eritrean Television in July on the Ethiopians third offensive in the
Ethiopian invasion of Eritrea which took place May-June, 2000. I am going
to keep it short because with the new information coming out on the
internal contradictions that took place within the Eritrean Defense Forces
and the Gov of Eritrea during the third offensive, I am having to bide my
time until more information is released to be able to do a more
comprehensive examination of the dynamics of that portion of the invasion.
First, based on computer aided examination of Ethiopian casualties taken
from video footage we were able to make an estimate of the casualties taken
by the Ethiopian invasionary forces. We did this by taking 100 meter
sections of the front and counting the dead Ethiopians and extrapolating
that figure to the overall length of the three fronts the Ethiopians opened
during their attempt to invade Eritrea.
The figure we arrived at (and this is actually a conservative figure) was
at least 180,000 Ethiopian dead for the third offensive alone. With standard
military estimates of 3 wounded to 1 dead, the Ethiopian army lost close to
3/4 of a million troops during the third offensive alone (180,000 x 3 =
540,000 + 180,000= 720,000 Ethiopian casualties).
If the Ethiopians lost close to 3/4 million of their combat troops, then
they must have had a combat force of at least 1.5 million, with at least one
half of their combat troops incapacitated (again, our estimate of the
Ethiopian combat troops is probably conservative, for what army can take
losses of one half of their combat troops and remain functional?)
Following standard military estimates of a combat to
logistics/supply/reserves ratio of 1:3, if the Ethiopian army had 1.5
million combat troops, the total size of the Ethiopian military must have
been at least 6,000,000 (six million) men.
We have reached an estimate of the number of mechanized divisions the
Ethiopian army was able to field during the third offensive based on the
knowledge that in one section of the front, the Ethiopians had 7 mechanized
divisions. With 3 fronts, a figure of 15 total mechanized divisions ( with
each of the two other fronts only having 4 mechanized divisions) is probably
conservative.
Each mechanized division contains 4 brigades, one of tanks, one of heavy
artillery, one of heavy machine guns and one of anti-aircraft artillery
(AAA). We have been able to confirm the Ethiopians purchased at least 350
new, top of the line Russian/Bulgarian tanks. We have estimated that the
Ethiopian army's mechanized divisions contained at least 3,000 heavy
artillery, 4-5,000 heavy machine guns and close to that many AAA.
We have also confirmed that the Ethiopians purchased at least 80-100
helicopter gunships, 25 Israeli upgraded MIG fighters, and an unknown number
of heavy bombers, recon aircraft and light helicopters.
Our estimates of the cost of these weapons is at least $500,000,000 (five
hundred million US $).
With an army of 6 million, including 15 up to date mechanized divisions,
supported by air power, the Ethiopian army invaded Eritrea (population 3.5
million) and sustained in 2 months almost 3/4 of a million casualties. This
ranks as one of the major defeats in the 20th century, with a two month
casualty figure comparable to the worst of WW1.
The Ethiopians are now publically admitting that they spent at least $3
billion on the war. Ethiopian coffee exports ( the only real export earner
the Ethiopians have) brought in at the most $200 million in the year 2000.
Where did Ethiopia get $3 billion to invade Eritrea?
Or maybe we should be asking how many laws in what western countries were
broken, with the knowledge of what top leaders, when the Ethiopians diverted
this $3 billion in aid to arms purchases? In other words, this was not a
"border conflict", rather a western funded invasion of Eritrea. At the very
least, the western powers had to have approved this holocaust before hand,
if not having actually instigated it.
I can not honestly understand the logic of those who want to blame the
Eritrean leadership for the invasion. Either the west paid for this and did
not know (the CIA didnt know that hundreds of millions of $US were being
diverted to arms purchases from Russia and Bulgaria?) or this holocaust was
approved from the beginning by the same powers that armed the Hutu militias
in Rwanda and then pretended they did not know that holocaust was happening.
This wasnt a "border conflict" between 2 "former comrades in arms", rather
a western funded attempt to destroy Eritrea.
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Giancarlo
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Los Angeles
Apr 2000
time: 02:16
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quote:
Originally posted by Mark L
[quote]Ethiopia's Army is around 100,000[quote]
Oh really?
The following is a review of the portion of the interview I did on
Eritrean Television in July on the Ethiopians third offensive in the
Ethiopian invasion of Eritrea which took place May-June, 2000. I am going
to keep it short because with the new information coming out on the
internal contradictions that took place within the Eritrean Defense Forces
and the Gov of Eritrea during the third offensive, I am having to bide my
time until more information is released to be able to do a more
comprehensive examination of the dynamics of that portion of the invasion.
First, based on computer aided examination of Ethiopian casualties taken
from video footage we were able to make an estimate of the casualties taken
by the Ethiopian invasionary forces. We did this by taking 100 meter
sections of the front and counting the dead Ethiopians and extrapolating
that figure to the overall length of the three fronts the Ethiopians opened
during their attempt to invade Eritrea.
The figure we arrived at (and this is actually a conservative figure) was
at least 180,000 Ethiopian dead for the third offensive alone. With standard
military estimates of 3 wounded to 1 dead, the Ethiopian army lost close to
3/4 of a million troops during the third offensive alone (180,000 x 3 =
540,000 + 180,000= 720,000 Ethiopian casualties).
If the Ethiopians lost close to 3/4 million of their combat troops, then
they must have had a combat force of at least 1.5 million, with at least one
half of their combat troops incapacitated (again, our estimate of the
Ethiopian combat troops is probably conservative, for what army can take
losses of one half of their combat troops and remain functional?)
Following standard military estimates of a combat to
logistics/supply/reserves ratio of 1:3, if the Ethiopian army had 1.5
million combat troops, the total size of the Ethiopian military must have
been at least 6,000,000 (six million) men.
We have reached an estimate of the number of mechanized divisions the
Ethiopian army was able to field during the third offensive based on the
knowledge that in one section of the front, the Ethiopians had 7 mechanized
divisions. With 3 fronts, a figure of 15 total mechanized divisions ( with
each of the two other fronts only having 4 mechanized divisions) is probably
conservative.
Each mechanized division contains 4 brigades, one of tanks, one of heavy
artillery, one of heavy machine guns and one of anti-aircraft artillery
(AAA). We have been able to confirm the Ethiopians purchased at least 350
new, top of the line Russian/Bulgarian tanks. We have estimated that the
Ethiopian army's mechanized divisions contained at least 3,000 heavy
artillery, 4-5,000 heavy machine guns and close to that many AAA.
We have also confirmed that the Ethiopians purchased at least 80-100
helicopter gunships, 25 Israeli upgraded MIG fighters, and an unknown number
of heavy bombers, recon aircraft and light helicopters.
Our estimates of the cost of these weapons is at least $500,000,000 (five
hundred million US $).
With an army of 6 million, including 15 up to date mechanized divisions,
supported by air power, the Ethiopian army invaded Eritrea (population 3.5
million) and sustained in 2 months almost 3/4 of a million casualties. This
ranks as one of the major defeats in the 20th century, with a two month
casualty figure comparable to the worst of WW1.
The Ethiopians are now publically admitting that they spent at least $3
billion on the war. Ethiopian coffee exports ( the only real export earner
the Ethiopians have) brought in at the most $200 million in the year 2000.
Where did Ethiopia get $3 billion to invade Eritrea?
Or maybe we should be asking how many laws in what western countries were
broken, with the knowledge of what top leaders, when the Ethiopians diverted
this $3 billion in aid to arms purchases? In other words, this was not a
"border conflict", rather a western funded invasion of Eritrea. At the very
least, the western powers had to have approved this holocaust before hand,
if not having actually instigated it.
I can not honestly understand the logic of those who want to blame the
Eritrean leadership for the invasion. Either the west paid for this and did
not know (the CIA didnt know that hundreds of millions of $US were being
diverted to arms purchases from Russia and Bulgaria?) or this holocaust was
approved from the beginning by the same powers that armed the Hutu militias
in Rwanda and then pretended they did not know that holocaust was happening.
This wasnt a "border conflict" between 2 "former comrades in arms", rather
a western funded attempt to destroy Eritrea. |
Why should I believe this. And how could they have maintained a 1 million men army when they couldn't even maintain a 320,000 in 1991?
The ERPDF Airforce from 2000:
(Taken from mylima.com/airforce)
Su-27A/U - 10
MiG-23 Floggers - 22 (Nearing Uselessness)
MiG-21 FISHBEDs - 22 (Useless)
MiG-17 Frescos - 15 (Useless)
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