10-12-2001 20:11									#1
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You've seen them on television news programs.
Already chanting and burning American flags.
So what's to be done? Seriously.
Remembering that if you find a pit of snakes under your home, you wouldn't just kill the adult snakes.
After all, the little snakes will grow up.
With humans, you run into a moral and conscience issue though.

So what do you do?
Wait for the "snakes" to grow up and do all again?
Rehabilitate?
Hope for the best?
Send them to live with Infatuation?
What?

I'm not advocating any position, I'm just wondering.

	10-12-2001 20:35									#2
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Obviously you kill them, their family, their friends, and anyone who knew them. Repeat until human race is exterminated.

	10-12-2001 20:45									#3
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I find it odd that people often compare terrorists to snakes, the comparison works against what they are trying to say.

You do realise, snakes do not hunt humans and would never hurt a human if it where not for the human either steping on it by mistake, or destroying it's habitat thus forcing conflict. (or similiar instances)

	10-12-2001 20:54									#4
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Um, this isn't a question about snakes, per se, Osweld.
Thanks for the dissertation though.

And Che, I'm asking a question because I really don't know.
It's my semi pacificst daughter who suggested that maybe they should be dealt with in the same manner.
Frankly, I didn't know what to say.

	10-12-2001 20:59									#5
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Um, this isn't a question about snakes, per se, Osweld. Thanks for the dissertation though.

I was also taking the metaphore one step further and suggesting that resolving the problems that cause 'terrorism' (I believe you aren't even talking about terrorists, just people who are protesting against the goverment) would be a much more affective way to solve it, rather then going around killing people and causing even more grief and hatred.

	10-12-2001 21:05									#6
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Let me state it another way, and maybe you can understand the question.

If you take away the influence of senior murdering terrorists, will the younger grow up to be terrorists, or will they not?

	10-12-2001 21:27									#7
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Let me state it another way, and maybe you can understand the question. If you take away the influence of senior murdering terrorists, will the younger grow up to be terrorists, or will they not?

Terrorism isn't some sort of proffesion that needs to be taught to future generations, it's an instinctual tactic of intimidation. Even if you could kill all of the terrorists in the world, more will spring up as long as there is enough desperation and/or hatred.

	11-12-2001 00:01									#8
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in my opinion environment creates terrorists
as does it create murderers and bullies and thieves.
no one is born with the desire to do or be these things
its taught to them by someone.
either parents , teachers , mentors , brothers.
friends .

so if you take a baby from such an environment
no ......it will not grow up to be one

a teen...well I think it maybe too late by then.
not hopeless but most surely more difficult to retrain.

	11-12-2001 00:17									#9
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Well, Sloww, I think that we have no right to do anything to teenage children of terrorists - they haven't done anything to the US.

I'll agree that they may be a threat at some point, but the US is not in the habit of punishing people for something they "may" do, and I'd rather risk more terracts than change that system.

I think the best way is simply to take care of the people who did this, then address the root cause of terracts against the US (namely, our ME policy).

	11-12-2001 02:06									#10
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The question came up when I was having supper with my daughter.
She voiced the opinion that their mind set was already in place, and should probably be rounded up for whatever action.
Initially, I was shocked. I told her that she couldn't be serious.
It surprised me, because I'm absolutely for the death penalty, and in the past she has been as adamantly opposed.
She did make me think though.
Something needs to be done, whether it's a detox of the poison that they've been fed or eradication.
All I know with certainty is that I don't want the same thing happening 5-10 years down the road because we ignored the problem now, and it is a problem to think about.
I still don't know what to think, or what should be done.
If nothing else, the daughter brought up a good question.

	11-12-2001 02:21									#11
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boann is indeed correct. She leaves out, however, one of the important ingrediants, environment. Dogs aren't naturally mean, someone has to abuse them. Same with terrorists.

Anyways, I think the children of terrorists will realize the futility of attacking the United States.

	11-12-2001 02:29									#12
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Something needs to be done, whether it's a detox of the poison that they've been fed or eradication

Either you're kidding or you're a very frightening man. If you seriously think that there is justification to executing those who have done no wrong then I have nothing more to say.

	11-12-2001 03:02									#13
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I'm gonna have to agree with KH there.

	11-12-2001 03:15									#14
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I agree, Slowwhand is a dangerous man of dangerous opinions like these.

	11-12-2001 04:06									#15
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Reform school. Give them food clothes and let them enjoy a good life and then see how they turn out.

	11-12-2001 04:13									#16
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SlowwHand, the fact that your daughter's opinion is different from yours should demonstrate to her that children don't necessarily believe or act like their parents.

Trying to predict who's going to be trouble in years to come is pretty futile IMO. Those 2 ***holes in Columbine had thoroughly respectable parents (in the eyes of society), which made no difference. And most of OBL's siblings aren't much like him, if reports are accurate, nor is he very much like his father.

	11-12-2001 04:28									#17
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First let me say that Krazy Horse, David, and especially needle d1ck Infatuation need to consider remedial reading lessons.


Clem, as you make some good points, let me point out that differing opinions is not the same as being brainwashed.
As I said, more than once, I don't think a blanket condemnation should be made, but walking away and letting the feelings they currently have fester is not the answer either.

	11-12-2001 06:23									#18
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Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property

	11-12-2001 06:28									#19
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These terracts weren't completely arbitrary. They are rooted in our foreign policy, particularly propping up brutal regimes in the area. You don't end terror by mass-murder, but by invalidating the terrorist's political cause; stop funding Saudi Arabia and Turkey for instance.

	11-12-2001 06:31									#20
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I was thinking about this a few weeks ago, after reading an interview with one of OBL's teenage sons...I left that article with no doubt in my mind what would happen if that kid got any kind of power.

It really is the 'Baby Hitler' question come to life...

	11-12-2001 06:33									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo These terracts weren't completely arbitrary. They are rooted in our foreign policy, particularly propping up brutal regimes in the area. You don't end terror by mass-murder, but by invalidating the terrorist's political cause; stop funding Saudi Arabia and Turkey for instance.

One of the most interesting positions I've heard is, "By developing the Alberta tar sands, we can end terrorism". Here's how:

-Terrorists need support: look at how many terrorists were put out of biz after the Soviet Union collapsed.
-Saudi Arabia is one of the biggest funders of terrorists in the world
-US can't do anything cause they have oil, and US needs oil.
-To get oil, US can use Alberta tar sands!

It's a little more expensive, but who knows? It might work...

	11-12-2001 06:40									#22
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If you don't want people to try to kill you in the future, the solution is not "to kill them". Be nice to them. They will respond to that. The few crazies who don't would remain crazies no matter what you do, and it would be impossible for you to pick them out, so there really isn't much you can do other than be prepared.

	11-12-2001 06:49									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Frodo If you don't want people to try to kill you in the future, the solution is not "to kill them". Be nice to them. They will respond to that. The few crazies who don't would remain crazies no matter what you do, and it would be impossible for you to pick them out, so there really isn't much you can do other than be prepared.

That's very chic, but pretty stupid really. Dead people won't kill you. (Not that there's anything right with that.) How many Saudis has the U.S. killed? What percentage of the 9/11 murderers were Saudis? The U.S. has been pretty damned nice to the Saudis over many years. Wtf?

	11-12-2001 06:52									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Frodo If you don't want people to try to kill you in the future, the solution is not "to kill them". Be nice to them. They will respond to that. The few crazies who don't would remain crazies no matter what you do, and it would be impossible for you to pick them out, so there really isn't much you can do other than be prepared.

Exactly how nice should we be?

	11-12-2001 06:56									#25
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Ramo, we don't fund Saudi Arabia, and our troops only protect them from a barely existant external threat; meanwhile, no Turkish terrorists are attacking our country, so I don't think that's it.

As for the original question of this thread, I don't think this issue is really up to us to decide. But my guess is, governments in that part of the world know how to handle the matter.

	11-12-2001 07:02									#26
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I'm not sure why you assume I'm referring to nations when I say to "be nice". If we are nice to a nation that doesn't mean that all of its citizens will necessarily view us as benevolent. Someone planning a terrorist attack on the US would take into consideration for their justification more than just national issues- religious and ethnic ones come to mind. In any case, when I spoke of "crazies", I had the 9/11 murderers in mind. I believe that this thread refers not to those who have already mentally martyred themselves, but those who yet stand a chance of becoming terrorists. These are the people the US would need to focus on- swing voters, so to speak.

Dead people won't kill you, it's true. However, their friends and neighbors might. I won't pursue this argument, though, since I see that you're not advocating killing off everyone who seems liable to adapt terrorism.

But perhaps my "chic" approach did not get my point across. Rationally or irrationally, those who target the US usually have a vendetta based on something. At times the justification will be so irrational that there is little the country can do about it- these people are just looking for a fight. The best way to prevent the rest of the "potential terrorists" from perceiving the US as a greedy monster that must be humbled with a devastating blow is to do our best not to look like a greedy monster. In other words, "be nice". Or at least pretend to be nice for those who favor national interests over altruism and don't consider the two compatible.

	11-12-2001 07:19									#27
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand First let me say that Krazy Horse, David, and especially needle d1ck Infatuation need to consider remedial reading lessons

Ummm...I'm aware that you didn't come up with this suggestion, but:

quote: Something needs to be done, whether it's a detox of the poison that they've been fed or eradication

seems to imply that "eradication" remains a viable possibility in your mind.

	11-12-2001 07:21									#28
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I do, however, agree with you that Infatuation is a "needle d1ck".

	11-12-2001 07:23									#29
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand You've seen them on television news programs. Already chanting and burning American flags. So what's to be done? Seriously.

Seriously, burn them alive.

	11-12-2001 07:27									#30
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"being nice", as Sikander says, sound chic, but it doesn't really work. Yes, there are reasons they hate us. The chief one stated is the US troops in Saudi Arabia, but they need those troops to protect us from Iraq. They are not hurting anyone there, and it is the right of the soverign government to have them should they so choose. Without US support, that country might fall to the Islamic fundamentalists, and Saudi Arabia is too important for that too happen. They don't like how we fund Israel, but Israel's economy is already hurting and if we suddenly withdrew aid, the economy could worsen and with it the political system- and without our aid to Israel, Sharon would be free to do whatever he wants. They don't like what they call U.S.A. cultural imperialism, but I doubt many of the liberals who are calling "being nice" as a solution would favor stopping the export of culture. The same applies to other countries- we favor moderate governments that stop islamic fundamentalism, such as Egypt. You have to look at their stated goal- to unite the Islamic countries into one fundamentalist state- I do not believe this is something anyone but the most extreme libertarians would advocate us doing nothing to stop.

The world is a complicated place, and no matter what decision you make, that decision will have consequences. Unless you are ultra-isolationist, you will piss someone off. But as we saw with the rise of fascism, isolationism has it's consequences too.