05-01-2002 19:04									#1
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It seems that a big cold wave has simultanuously struck North America, Japan and Eastern Europe (75% of the developped world that is), while a heat wave and serious wildfires are threatening Australia.

IMHO this is proof of the effects global warming has in destabilising the earth's weather: hotter summers and colder winters all over.

On the home front: This is the first time we've got snow in downtown Athens since March 1987 (and even then it hadn't snowed that much). Snow begun gathering since yesterday afternoon and by the morning, we had at least 5-10 cm of snow everywhere. Bread, groceries and videotapes were on high demand today and we've got shortages, since people are staying indoors this weekend. Estimates are that the snow will be still here tomorrow morning and that it will all have turned to ice. Friends calling from the suburbs talk about at least 20-30cm snow and they are going berzerk, since it's the second day they're stranded in their neighbourhoods.

Perhaps I should have bought snow gear for my car - I wanted to, but then I thought I would never get to use it...

Come on, northerners, share your experiences with us!

	05-01-2002 19:11									#2
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wasnt there a verse similar to this:
No man can tell the season.

Maybe my memory doesnt serve me correctly

	05-01-2002 20:04									#3
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It's sad to watch the snow melt...

I guess that the snowman i made earlier is melting too...

	05-01-2002 20:08									#4
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Yeah, it has been pretty cold over here this festive period, although nothing outside of acceptable parameters.

	05-01-2002 20:18									#5
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I am not sure I would blame every bit of unusual weather on global warming...

Anyway, we have lots of fun here in Denmark. We started with 25cm snow, then it half-thawed to wet snow/puddles, and it it froze into a 3cm ice layer all over. And it is _everywhere_ .

	05-01-2002 20:31									#6
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This wave should get over here in a couple of days too. Maybe there will be some snow in Jerusalem.
(and of course, another school trip will be cancelled)

	05-01-2002 20:36									#7
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Duh, it's snowing again!

It was about the same time yesterday that it began to accumulate. Perhaps it's because it's sunset and the temperature is dropping.

In Greece it's a quite funny, since the north half of the country is sunny (though very cold) and the southern half (including the islands and Crete) is buried in snow. One month before, it was the other way around. Some islanders (f.e. in Samos) hadn't seen snow in their yards since 1926.

The cold is partially responsible for the smooth adoption of the Euro here too. Because of the cold, there isn't much business around. There are some islands however, where the Euro hasn't been sent yet, due to the 9-10 Beauffort winds which has stranded all ships in ports.

	05-01-2002 22:10									#8
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Beautiful. Just beautiful

	05-01-2002 22:31									#9
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It's been ****ing freezing here.

I don't like snow any more.

	05-01-2002 22:38									#10
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It hasn't snowed in Kent at all this winter. Morning frosts is the worst we have had. Curious.

	05-01-2002 22:58									#11
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Over here, the mornings are deadly (-18 °C today). And then there's this 1 mile walk to work.
But then again I'm lucky I don't live in Russia.

	05-01-2002 23:13									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Juggler Over here

where?

	05-01-2002 23:32									#13
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Areas of the country have had -12C...here in manchester I think the lowest we got to was -6C. ****ing freezing!

	05-01-2002 23:49									#14
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Look at his location packets, he is in Europe

It has been bloody cold. I was walking from the bus stop (car trouble, don't ask), and nearly went down three times. Bloody ice

	06-01-2002 00:06									#15
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that's how Athens looks like now. I never thought I'd see this!

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	06-01-2002 00:07									#16
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or this. And this is a small hill in center Athens BTW.

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	06-01-2002 00:33									#17
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paiktis, I hope you were using irony , because that old abandoned house in the background was kinda giving it away ....

	06-01-2002 00:35									#18
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quote: And this is a small hill in center Athens BTW

I don't think anyone doubts that the Acropolis is in center Athens, man!

	06-01-2002 02:35									#20
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quote: Originally posted by axi I don't think anyone doubts that the Acropolis is in center Athens, man!

I thought it was in the British Museum.

	06-01-2002 04:02									#21
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Actually all the insides and statues are in a brit museum. And the brits arent about to give any of it back

Ya we had only 5 inches of snow (what the hell ). Its actually not global warming or anything. The Stupid Jet stream is to the south of us So we get no precipitation...Its all gone to Georgia.

	06-01-2002 04:11									#22
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It's really smokey here in Canberra today. I guess that's what happens when a large chunk of your neigbouring state is burning

	06-01-2002 05:14									#23
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Poor Koala's....I saw a picture of a bunch of aussie animals runnin down a sydney street trying to escape blaze

	06-01-2002 05:34									#24
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Paiktis, don't know whether this supports your global warming theory or not but it was in an e-mail I got from a friend in northern Ontario (Canada) the other day:

quote: And the weather! January 3rd and minus 7 Celsius! That's warm.The coldest it's been so far is minus 22 or so. A very warm season so far. May it continue.

Guess it all depends what you're used to.

	06-01-2002 05:41									#25
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quote: It seems that a big cold wave has simultanuously struck North America, Japan and Eastern Europe (75% of the developped world that is)

It's called winter.

quote: while a heat wave and serious wildfires are threatening Australia.

It's called summer.

quote: IMHO this is proof of the effects global warming has in destabilising the earth's weather: hotter summers and colder winters all over.

Hehe, you need to look at temperature graphs paleo-climatologists have developed covering the last 20 or 30 thousand years. Current patterns are EXTREMELY stable compared to the past. What we really need to worry about is the coming ice advance and it's trigger...

quote: On the home front: This is the first time we've got snow in downtown Athens since March 1987

Cool! I remember the year it snowed in San Francisco. Boy did we have a blast
Being right on the coast makes snow, much less snow that actually stays on the ground, a rarity.

quote: Come on, northerners, share your experiences with us!

Here in Kansas we are having a very warm winter. Only a few flakes have reached the ground so far and we are supposed to hit the 50's this coming week. And I was hoping to let my ribcage heal over the winter and we're still getting weather conducive to golf

	06-01-2002 05:44									#26
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Needs warming up...

Cold here (in Jersey, like usual), about 30s Farenheit. Want it to be summer again .

	06-01-2002 05:47									#27
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I think the australia fires are mainly caused by arsonist's and spotanouesly combusting kangaroo's

	06-01-2002 06:00									#28
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Yup, and the reason we had such a firestorm in Yellowstone a few years back was environmental policies by the US government. They would try to put out fires instead of letting nature take it's course eventually leading to a build up of dead brush that would fuel the firestorm once it was triggered.

Maybe you Aussies should let the aborigines run your land management down under. They have a long history of dealing with the land and preventing these kinds of disasters by burning off the accumulation of fire hazards every year.

	06-01-2002 06:21									#29
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Oh yeah sorry I guess I really wanted to underline the fact that it is snowing in the center of Athens (that's pretty exceptional )

BTW Axi, heed the words of papastrumf:

quote: Greek Prime Minister Costas Simitis told reporters it was the worst weather in 40 years and asked citizens to take care and limit their travel. ``I would like to call on all citizens to be careful and limit their movements. This is an unusual phenomenon and beautiful to watch but also dangerous,'' he said.

No ****! I kept on nearly falling every step I took. (because I didn't heed papastrumf's words )

	06-01-2002 06:47									#30
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BTW the brits have stolen the marbles of Parthenon. The ones they are accusing us of having lost (as well as our sanity)

These are beautiful sculptures of marble that used to adorn the upper front part of the Parthenon sold by the turks during the ottoman occupation to "Lord" Elgin. And they have bleached them in the British Museum thus destroying their original color

They also have one of the cariadites. These are beautiful statues of women that serve as columns for the building of Erechtion, left of Parthenon on the sacred hill of Acropolis.

Someday...

Last edited by Bereta_Eder on 06-01-2002 at 06:53