07-01-2002 09:16									#1
	Saturday Night (USA) Diplo Game Inflate your Upload Space

I'm going to try and post the mod pack I've been workng on for this game, and also list the changes made. All the mods were made with decreasing lag in mind. Also the game will be played on a special medium sized world map (not the included one it sucks), so things don't get out of hand as far as 100s of units.

Tech costs 1.5 times more.
Aquaducts are needed at 4, Sewers at 8.

There are no wonders.

Dreanoughts, a battleship type unit, are available with Refining.
As a result, cruisers are now battle cruisers, and are available with automobile.

Jet aviation is added, requires rocketry and gives jet fighters and bombers, the values for these fall in between normal and stealth units.

Modern Infantry is added, available with Plastics, and gets +50% defense against howiters, but only moves at 1 otherwise its the same as mech inf.

Frigates are Man-O-Wars and are the same except have 3 defense instead of 2.

Once again fascism replaces fundamentalism, it only takes 20% of your science, but only supports 5 units. The improved fanatic is the storm trooper at 7/5/1 2/1 50.

Infantry is available with machine tools and is 6/5/1 2/1 50

There are no Apline troops.


I think I covered everything major, I think everything else are just graphics mods.

Starting locations...........
I suggest this.....
China
India
Europe
Africa ( Middle )
North America
South America
Australia

Of course we can work this out fairly, take a look at the map and we will discuss starting locations. Once that is done, and players are set I will make this into a scenario back, and include the sounds needed for a few units.

Attachment: newdiplo.zip
This has been downloaded 19 time(s).

	07-01-2002 15:09									#2
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Thanks Dangime. Looks promising and very interesting rules indeed!

This is the game that Hydey, Commando Andy, Makeo, Raz, Sanskrit Boy and a few others showed interest in so I hope they are still around!

I think Capo is setting up the other diplo on USA Thurs night? The old HOTW2 slot. I'm interested in both games but will drop back as a sub on one of them if interest is high.

I don't want time limits but will be happy with a cap of 3 cities conquered per turn or something like this to avoid idiots from take 13 cities in one go... but surprise attacks should be OK.

	07-01-2002 20:58									#3
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quote: I think Capo is setting up the other diplo on USA Thurs night? The old HOTW2 slot. I'm interested in both games but will drop back as a sub on one of them if interest is high.

I don't think capo's setting up anything anymore...atleast thats the impression he gave me. If this game could be a thursday night affair, I'd probably play, but I certainly can't do saturdays.

quote: I don't want time limits but will be happy with a cap of 3 cities conquered per turn or something like this to avoid idiots from take 13 cities in one go... but surprise attacks should be OK.

What kind of idiot would do that exactly????

	08-01-2002 01:44									#4
	Hydey can play Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I can play in this one , its on our Sundays
I am happy just to play and will go along with any rules you all agree on.
I am also happy to play any civ .
I hope this does not make things too difficult.

	08-01-2002 04:09									#5
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FRANK....THE RULE CHANGES AND UNIT MODS SOUND GREAT. iF THERE IS ROOM I WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED IN YOUR DIPLOGAME. I WILL COMMIT TO EVERY SAT. AND AND AM OPEN ON CHOICE OF CIV.

	08-01-2002 07:40									#6
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On a Saturday night i can commit to 5-8.30 mountain time.

	09-01-2002 04:26									#7
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ok some details on time of game would be handy ... but i should be able to play most sundays.

	09-01-2002 05:42									#8
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Hm 5 Mnt time is 4 Central where I live..........

What's that for you aussies? More of a saturday evening that night........heh.....

But really on a saturday I have no constraints, but a start time between 4-6 central is needed, and a block of at least 3 hours minimum needs to be allowed for each session. We all know how these things go......hopefully.

	10-01-2002 10:09									#9
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Well guys if we get

Raz
Makeo
Cannonfodder
Hydey
Deity
And myself are 6 players.

Deity, do you have some more people you said were interested? The time draws near if we are to play this saturday!

	11-01-2002 08:28									#10
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OK, to get the ball rolling I'll go for Australia again.
We got Berzerker too, so this should be a good game...
Everyone should line up a regular sub. The game will go at least 6 months I think!

	11-01-2002 08:29									#11
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Ok, I'm in, time agreed upon yet?

	11-01-2002 09:54									#12
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If we settle on Makeo's 6pm CST start time, (thats 7 EST, and 5 MNT) That seems ok with me.........

How about all the australian guys?

Starting location update...............

Deity has chosen a nice home in Southern Australia.
Berz resides in an amazon jungle hideway on Souther America's northern coast.
I myself have chosen warm Hong Kong as my starting location.

I NEED ALL YOUR STARTING LOCATIONS TO MAKE THE SCENARIO. INCLUDE ANY SPECIAL CIV MODS YOU WANT MADE! Places left : North America, Europe, India/Siberia, Afirca.

If nothing else is said assume a 6pm CST, 7 EST, 5 MNT starting time. I hope everyone is here, the first session is the most important! Get subs lined up too if you can.

	11-01-2002 12:01									#13
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Hm, after seeing the horrible effects of a riot factor of 7, Im returning it to 14 for the final version, just FYI.

	11-01-2002 16:15									#14
	I'll take Europe Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Thats if its ok with everyone else, I'm sure Frank will make it as even for everyone as he can.

	11-01-2002 21:28									#15
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Ok lets see its down to Makeo and Raz to choose their starting locations........North America and India / Siberia

I put down Hydey around ukraine......

and cannonfodder is in on lake victoria.

Right now everyone at least has a river start and 1 special.

A few people have more specials, but their river square starts jungle covered......so I guess that balances things out a bit.

	12-01-2002 04:17									#16
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Hydey's best guess makes it an 8am Sunday start in Melbourne.
Feel free to correct me on this.

	12-01-2002 04:41									#17
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Actually I think its 9 am...........

since its 5 PM mountain time, that makes it 6 PM Centeral (where I live) or 7 Eastern.......

But then again we are on daylight savings time........so you never know.

	12-01-2002 04:46									#18
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seems its going to be 11 am Sunday (Melbourne/Sydney time)
atleast I get to sleep in

	12-01-2002 06:10									#19
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Is 14 the default setting for riot factor? Are we playing at deity level,restless tribes?? I will be online at 6pm CST (4pm PST) on Sat.

	12-01-2002 06:15									#20
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I'll take whatever

	12-01-2002 09:01									#21
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Yes the default is 14. There are no barbs, since they attack certain civs more than others.

Here's the current plan, and the files as of now.....

I've put makeo along the ganges in India........
I've yet to hear from ras, but I'm holding out hope since he is a good competetor and all.....I've put him in North America on the east coast..........

If raz shows at 6 pm CST then we are all good to go.
If not, I will alter the starting locations so we all start on Eurasia / Africa.....and we can have a "colonization" game. If we have to do that someone remind be to blow up iceland so tritreams cant get to NA so early.

Any way here are the files........download them. Put it in your scenario directory of civ2, make a folder called "dip" within that folder, put in the file......unzip it....it should have the sounds and files......and that should be it!

Good luck to all.

Attachment: dip.zip
This has been downloaded 25 time(s).

	12-01-2002 16:05									#22
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I think it's best to play as per this modpak and if someone doesn't show and a sub can not be found we play it as AI.
It's the best way to go. There are bound to be some weeks when AI takes over the odd civ and it's generally understood that you do not take advantage of AI. If they attack you seek world opinion on how far you respond....
Just my two cents.

	13-01-2002 04:09									#23
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has someone already chosen china? i think i'd prefer china than india

	13-01-2002 04:21									#24
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Suggest you all see Frank's earlier rules suggestions.. as he says riot factor is now normal again but watch your food box, it takes longer to fill.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...92&pagenumber=3

Last edited by deity on 13-01-2002 at 04:26

	13-01-2002 04:29									#25
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ok i've looked a little closer i guess i can't have china. no word from raz so can i have north america?

	13-01-2002 04:37									#26
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and just a question. why are the food boxes bigger?

	13-01-2002 04:56									#27
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Hey folks. Thanks for rescuing me from an entirely boring night.

I"m subbing for Raz.

I don't know if anyone really knows whats going down with this, but I guess I'll be the Metalheads in North America. I get to go first, so Raz can be pissed if i screw everything up, hehe.

La la la, i'm bored, i haven't posted in a while, i haven't played in a while. la la la.

	13-01-2002 11:54									#28
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The mighty but humble American empire of South America, while slow to grow due to much needed irrigation of our beautiful capital, has settled much of South America and established an alliance with our Metalhead neighbors to the north and come into contact with the far-ranging Indians from a land called Asia.

We have learned of many peoples living in this distant land and hope to one day greet them...

	13-01-2002 23:00									#29
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The Cantonese Empire grew by leaps and bounds, both in mainland asia and the islands of the pacific. Tensions were high when, an brash australian settlement was discovered on borneo, which was marked for Cantonese settlement, however the two empires did manage to work a compromise and avoid all out war.

Contact was also established with the mysterious Aztec people who are rumored to live in a fertile land beyond the jungles and mountains in the west.

Also in a eye-opening event, the heavily armed but apparently benevolent army of hydey appeared in China. Although no attacks took place, his mere show of power sent local warlords on a spree of spending as they attempted to match his army in skill and power, as a result China is now defened with much better equiped forces.

As the empire grew, and the local lands filled finally brave explorers were sent to see the world, and meet our neighbors in the world, as well as seek new lands for settlement. A well equiped expedition charged with the exploration of the west has set out at the King's command, with the duty of exploring the frontier ahead of the settlement forces, such an expedition resulted in the latest discovery, of a beautiful lake amongst the plains where our latest settlment resides.

	14-01-2002 01:44									#30
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The Metalhead kingdom flourishes in North America. Early contact with southern neighbors the Americans has led to a mighty Western Alliance. Word travels from afar that the entire world looks to the enlightened Western Alliance for the beacon of learning and musical acheivement.

Recently Metalhead musical scientists have discovered the acheivement of the "Concert Tour". Long have Metalhead musicians labored to produce their music, but until recently only for their own enjoyment. With the advent of the "concert tour" great Metalhead music can spread to other cultures and traded for mutual enjoyment. The very first Metalhead concert tour has departed from Black Sabbath and is heading for the American capitol of Washington, DC. Concert promoters are calling this the "Silk Tour" One concert promoter in his zeal announced the Metalhead discovery of concert tours to people all across the world. This has created needless envy from other cultures and the concert promoter has been put to death.

Great news! The art of highest musicanship has been made available to all peoples of Metaltopia. For many centuries great Metal God Ozzy the Dove-Eater has had exclusive control over the population. Many have complained that such dictatorial control has quashed creativity and musical innovation. Now a great new system called "The Republic" comes from our southern allies. The great Metal Council has been established to help Ozzy rule the nation. This is a bright day, Metaltopia is the envy of the world.