16-01-2002 07:45									#121
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I think it's a matter of cultural tolerance. Since at least the 14th century or so, Korea took a strong Confucianist line and placed women at the bottom of the ladder (of course, Confucianism doesn't tell you to take advantage of people, but it is clear about social rankings, etc.). Thus, having concubines or women on the side is still considered here to be almost 'unavoidable' and even chic. But the caveat is always this:

You must still be a very good husband and father. A man who wrecks his family, say, by running away with his mistress is considered a low-life dirt bag. But a man who goes and gets 'a massage' or has a little something on the side without making it obvious is certainly tolerated.

In this context, the 'girl as entertainer' isn't quite the bleak one we have in the U.S. Yes, I used to see the pros on the streets of L.A. all the time as I drove around the city. Scary. Very scary. I also saw the conditions in SE Asia. Even scarier! The closest you could find to the Korean case in the U.S. is out in Nevada at the state-sanctioned brothels. But those are way the hell out in BFE. These things in Korea are literally on the way home.

	16-01-2002 07:49									#122
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Interesting point.

	16-01-2002 09:28									#123
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I still don't think this is a subject for impressionable kids. We're trying to build healthy relationships.

You are just bragging Yin. It isn't very interesting either.

	16-01-2002 09:33									#124
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Ha, King Troll giving advice on what's interesting. Classic!

	16-01-2002 09:40									#125
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 Ha, King Troll giving advice on what's interesting. Classic!

You getting your pecker hoovered by whores just isn't interesting. Sorry but anyone with a few dollars can get that.

	16-01-2002 09:43									#126
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We weren't talking about *my* pecker now, were we? Or do you hope to change the subject in that direction, pretty boy?

	16-01-2002 09:46									#127
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 We weren't talking about *my* pecker now, were we? Or do you hope to change the subject in that direction, pretty boy?

No thanks - I left my magnifying glass at home today.

	16-01-2002 09:49									#128
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LOL! You must have been a lot of fun back in 3rd grade. If the topic offends your sensitive ears, ignore it. So funny. The troll looks so sad...

	16-01-2002 09:52									#129
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You are the one who is looking sad with what we are learning about what passes for your life.

	16-01-2002 09:57									#130
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LOL! Coming from the guy with 10,000+ posts on Poly, 99% as a troll. HILARIOUS!

Did I say I go to those places? Hmmm. Nope. Didn't.

	16-01-2002 10:07									#131
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 I'm talking about taking $50 to a delightful part of Seoul that I know, paying for sex, and going home to a few hours of relaxing computer games.

Oh pardon me - I thought you were speaking from experience

	16-01-2002 10:11									#132
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Nope: I was just giving the poor guy advice. The place I know is between home and my place of work. It does look delightful. And the $50 price is tempting, wouldn't you say? But I haven't actually spent my money there. Too busy ordering computer games I guess.

	16-01-2002 10:11									#133
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Horsie was trolled

(admitedly I thought the same as he..)

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	16-01-2002 18:41									#134
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Hmmm...well I think the information is still interesting.

Though I think Horse is right ,with alot of impressionable teens around it could be talked about elsewhere.

They are looking to fill a void with some guidance; yin maybe your posts are sending the wrong message to them.

	16-01-2002 18:49									#135
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Well, it's the difference in cultural values I find interesting. And I have nothing more to say on the topic, though consider: Why are threads about killings at highschools 'o.k.' but talk about prostitution isn't? This goes to my saying that many people in the West are too hung up about sex.

	16-01-2002 21:11									#136
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 LOL! Too funny. Most of the girls here are NOT in the category you describe. Most are girls who make the following decision: "Yes, I come from a good home, but a part-time job earns me about $1.50 hour. I can earn $500 easy in a few hours at night doing this stuff. And, hey, I just *have* to have the latest fashions, so here I go." That's how it is here in growing numbers. And the kiddies on Poly might actually learn something about the 'real world' by understanding that.

What a nice rosy picture yin26 paints of hookers in Asia. I've heard this story dozens of times, usually from men trying to claim that they're really helping the hooker when they pay for sex. "These girls are just part-timers. They come from good families. They don't have to do it. They just want to make a little bit of extra money, to buy the "latest fashions. Besides, they earn lots of money."

The reality is anything but that. In Hong Kong, a john pays about US$50 for a hooker. Most of that money goes to pay for the room. The rest goes to the pimp/gang. If the girl is from the Mainland she has to pay the cost of getting to Hong Kong. There is not much left for her. She might finish a night with US$20.

In poorer countries like South Korea, the take-home pay is obviously lower.

The women who go into the sex trade are generally uneducated. They have few other options. They do it not to buy the latest fashion, but rather to put food on the table. In some cases, they are forced into it by family or gangs.

The price they pay is a high likelihood of getting a sexually transmitted disease. AIDS is rampant among hookers in Southeast Asia.

But all this information isn't that sexy. It is much better to think that these are good middle-class nymphos who love sex and just do it part-time.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that prostitution is evil. It provides work for many women. It puts food on the table and a roof overhead. But spare me the crap about how these women are just greedy and that they only do it to buy nice clothes.

	16-01-2002 21:25									#137
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Back to the original subject of this thread, one piece of good advice is to get yourself a pair of really cool shoes. I know this sounds weird, but when a women are scoping you out and trying to decide what kind of person you are, one of the main things they look at are your shoes. If they like your shoes, they're more likely to find you attractrive. It makes sense if you think about it. Most women seem to love buying shoes, so naturally they pay attention to the shoes worn by men.

But of course, cool shoes will only get your foot through the door.

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	17-01-2002 00:21									#138
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SHOOT! That's been my problem all along! I have a really hard time buying new shoes, I guess I just don't appreciate shoes. I think the best pair I own are a pair of Sandshooz, they cost 15$ and I've had them for 3 or 4 years now, although I don't wear them very often.

	17-01-2002 00:26									#139
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If buying boots (docs etc) make sure to get REAL STITCHING!! I can't emphasize enough how important this is. I've had shoe store punkasses tell me to my face that 'they aren't made that way anymore'. Beware 'faux stitching'. Real stitching goes all the way though.

I went through three pairs of boots in 2 years before I got some doc martens with REAL STITCHING and they haven't failed me yet.

	17-01-2002 01:01									#140
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quote: Well, it's the difference in cultural values I find interesting. And I have nothing more to say on the topic, though consider: Why are threads about killings at highschools 'o.k.' but talk about prostitution isn't? This goes to my saying that many people in the West are too hung up about sex.

In the West? I take it you've never been to Holland.

	17-01-2002 01:10									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that prostitution is evil. It provides work for many women. It puts food on the table and a roof overhead. But spare me the crap about how these women are just greedy and that they only do it to buy nice clothes.

Maybe they believe that in Asia a 12 year girl, choose protistution to buy the lastest 'pocketmon' ?

	17-01-2002 01:15									#142
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A few nice young men are confused and seek advice about relationships and love, from their hopefully more experienced peers. Many thoughtful replies are traded back and forth.......

Yin's response, "HOOKERS"

Don't worry Yin, Hookers will solve all their relationship issues.

Only at Apolyton.

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	17-01-2002 03:39									#143
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quote: But spare me the crap about how these women are just greedy and that they only do it to buy nice clothes.

Sure, there are plenty of the hardship cases, but I'm not talking about 'those places.' I'm talking about a rather recent social phenomenon here in South Korea that I guess you know nothing about.

	17-01-2002 03:40									#144
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MarkL: Exception so noted. Actually, I guess I should have said 'U.S.' instead.

	17-01-2002 03:57									#145
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Yeah I can vouch for that shoes thing.

Good point.

A good pair of shoes can turn an ordinary outfit into a nice looking one.

Yeah they will always check the shoes when scoping you out.

Think about it from your own perspective, which would you rathar see a girl in, a pair a sexy strappy high heels or flip flops?

	17-01-2002 05:22									#146
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That's actually pretty hard to decide... One is, well, sexy, the other is very cute... Heck, I don't care how a girl dresses if she looks good!

	17-01-2002 08:28									#147
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 Sure, there are plenty of the hardship cases, but I'm not talking about 'those places.' I'm talking about a rather recent social phenomenon here in South Korea that I guess you know nothing about.

I'll freely admit that I know nothing about South Korea, other than the fact that they make a killer cabbage dish. But that story you mentioned is an urban myth in Asia. People make that claim about hookers in Singapore, Thailand, the Phillipines, Japan, Hong Kong, the Mainland, and so on. But the story falls apart in the face of the facts.

Maybe South Korea is the exception to the rule.

And maybe the 1-900 telephone sex companies actually employ beautiful college women rather than old grannies.

	17-01-2002 08:42									#148
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I'd also recommend the movie "The Tao of Steve." Its about a guy's philosophy for getting women into bed. Very funny, but it also makes a lot of sense.

The basic idea is that women get turned off by guys who are only interested in sex. From the movie" "Eliminate your desires. If you're out with a girl and you're thinking about getting laid, you're finished. A woman can smell an agenda." So in order to get sex, you have to eliminate the desire to have sex.

Kind of ties into the idea that if you're desperate, then you'll never get a date because you're only desperate when you're not getting anything, and women don't want to go out with someone who no one else wants to date. But if you eliminate the desire and act like you could get a date anytime you want, then women will relax and are more likely to go out with you.

Same thing operates the other way. If you know a woman is desperate for a date, you probably start wondering what is wrong with her.

But anyways, the main thing about the movie is that it is funny.

	17-01-2002 09:03									#149
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What can I say? It's widely known here in South Korea that college girls and younger do this sort of thing simply to buy expensive stuff. You might not like it. You might not believe it, but it's true. To say otherwise is to speak from ignorance.

	17-01-2002 09:33									#150
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Tao of Steve eh?


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