28-02-2002 04:50									#331
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I dont care anymore Case do what ya want i just wanna play Civ2 thats why i'm here!

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I'm still no cheater!

	28-02-2002 05:18									#332
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I don't think Soundwave was cheating, as I said, i just said I'd be angry if he did. So let's continue...Back to emailing the plans for having Austria and settling boundaries? I think Soundwave's last email seemed good. Will continue via email.

	28-02-2002 10:43									#333
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I'll play my turn when we finally resolve this Austria issue. Is there going to be an Austria? As I've said, I'm personally opposed to it, but I'll go with the majority decision.

If Soundwave does end up taking Austria, then perhaps James Jirk would like Britain. Spain stays with the AI, because I'm busy defeating her

	28-02-2002 14:25									#334
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As I said in my email, I'm all for Soundwave taking Austria

	28-02-2002 14:36									#335
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quote: Originally posted by winterfritz James Jirk

Dosn't it suck how the j & k keys are next to each other

	28-02-2002 15:20									#336
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quote: James Jirk

Oops

I'm sorry, JamesJKirk. I didn't read your name properly when I saw it. I don't really think you're a jirk

I'm ok with you taking Britain and Soundwave taking Austria if everyone else agrees (El Awrence doesn't want Britain or Austria.)

	28-02-2002 17:38									#337
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For me it's alright if Soundwave takes Austria and JamesJKirk takes Britain.

My only worry is that I'll need a lot of renegociating with both countries if their leaders change

But I would like to know who is who, and to have an opportunity to discuss things with them before I play my next turns...

	28-02-2002 21:50									#338
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I was willing to let the "Jirk" thing slide, since it didn't seem to malicious, but thanks for clearing it up. Not only does it suck that J and K are next to each other, but also that my last name even rhymes with jerk, oh well.


Britain would be fine with me, as long as it's cool with you all. I'll get working on a little policy statement to state my goals and whatnot in the near future.


so just tell me any questions or anything you have.
My AIM screenname is , but with all you Oceanians I'm not sure how much we'll actually be around at the same time

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	01-03-2002 03:57									#339
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Welcome aboard Kirk

We're using modified rules that extend ship movements by 50% (which I've attached), and have a rule that turns should be played within 48 hours of the file being posted.

I suggest that you guys swap passwords, so that we can get the momentum of this game back ASAP

Attachment: rules.txt
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	01-03-2002 05:26									#340
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I'm OK with having Kirk as Britain and Soundwave as Austria. One thing: Let's divide the rest of Germany up first.

	01-03-2002 06:53									#341
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So do you want me to stay as britian till i conquer rest of Germany, or play Germany turns from now on!? (i think the German playing is better, so i can disband the units?)

So winterfritz play then me? and i'll disband all units?? YES? as pre-ordered in the Treaty of Berlin

Someone send JKirk a map of 'divided germany'

Also how do i swap passwords? Has El got one?

	01-03-2002 11:57									#342
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A Statement from the New Prime Minister:

Following the conclusion of hostilities between the Entente powers and the German Empire, and the resignation of President Richards, parliament reasserted its traditional authority and reduced the Presidency to a ceremonial post allowing for a return to the speedy, efficient "fusion of power" that Britons are used to. Newly elected Liberal Prime Minister James J. Kirk spoke from 10 Downing Street today:

"We are at a great crossroads in our common history. The "Concert of Europe" has ended, the ways of Prussian militarism and subordinance to the state are over. A new order must take shape, not one based on power politics and stabbing your neighbor in the back, but one of individual spirit and common identity.
We shall fight to open markets from protectionist statism and free peoples from autocracy: The peoples of the Austrian empire should be given self-rule, and should move toward a more enlightened form of government as soon as possible, as their new leader stays on the course of peace, Great Britain promises her help where she needs it. And the Spanish people shall live free, I assure you. The tyranny of General Alfonso Ignaro cannot be tolerated by civilized nations.

At the heart of political freedom is economic freedom, so we propose vast amounts of trade between nations, on a scale never before seen, with the ultimate goal of eradicating human misery as much as humanly possible, and raising the standards of living continentwide. Thank you."

	01-03-2002 12:20									#343
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As President Richards retired today, he boasted how in the years of his reign The British Empire became huger and created the stabitly of Europe with his Russian/ Italian/ French Parnters.

With this he retires to his country estate outta of Kent, near the local pub.

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	01-03-2002 12:25									#344
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quote: and created the stabitly of Europe with his Russian Partner.

What about his French and Italian allies?!

	01-03-2002 12:43									#345
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New President for Austria

With the destruction of the German Reich by the marvolous British and brave Russian Forces, the Austrian Confederation has split away from the German Empire making itself independant and liberal. As for Bulgaria, the Austrian Delagation that met with the Entente stated that Bulgaria was to be under Russian 'Protectorate'.

Under the Berlin Treaty, the Austrian Confederation will be in effect independant, and all nations are to begin a withdrawal from Austrian Land. As pre-arranged for indepenance the Italian Empire gets the Cities on the Araditic Coast, and 200gold bullian and technology's.

The British have demanded nothing and the France has said nothing but good will to the New Independant Country. As for Spain, Spain is no concern of ours the new President stated.

The Ottmans, will be allied to the Austrians, fo rthe Austrians, will still want the money owed to them thourgh British Banks
(ie countries might have changed, but you dont get off getting something for nothing Mr)

	01-03-2002 13:23									#346
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The Ottoman Empire is pleased to welcome the Austrian Confederation among the European Nations.

The Sultan hopes that strong ties between Austria and Turkey will be established soon.

The Sultan hopes that the politic of the new british government towards the Ottoman Empire will not change and that the British Empire will further help us to develop peacefully!

About the money: what do you think Mr, I always pay my debts!!! But... I don't really know wether I owe money to Soundwave or to Britain .

I think that Britain lent me money, but as it is not a big sum (for Britain, that is... not for me!!) and Austria might need it much more, let's consider that President Richards misappropriated the money and that it will be return to his private account in a bank in Vienna (though Zurich might have been more appropriate... ).

	01-03-2002 13:41									#347
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So all agreed, El's outta the game...


El can i have the password of your saves things, coz i wanna have my go please, and not wait a whole turn and a half.

I wanna get started quickly!

Thank you

and JamesJkirk, i'll tell you my password, when i get el's.. whos holding up the game and winterfritz... grr! LOL

	01-03-2002 14:02									#348
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Bye El, see you in Greece or North America

	01-03-2002 15:30									#349
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Italy welcomes the new Europe

In a speech given to cheering crowds, King Case today welcomed the newly won independance of Austria. The King stated that "the Italian government hopes, and indeed expects, that our relationship with Austria will be warmer then our relationship with the German-Austrian monstrocity".

Foreign Office Issues Statement on Italian-Austrian Treaty

Following the King's speech, the Italian foreign ministry issued a statement outlining the treaty between Austria and Italy.
According to the treaty's conditions, Austria will gain access to the port of Split in return for an Austrian payment of money, and on the condition that the Austrians never build warships in this port. The city will be surrendered next month.

	01-03-2002 15:44									#350
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I've talked to a few people about surrendering cities, and it dosn't appear to be possible in a Civ 2 PBEM [though I would be very happy to be proved wrong].
As a result, it seems that the only way El can 'surrender' is by disbanding/donating his entire military, and then allowing occupation armies to move in (which shouldn't be a problem as there are no Guerillas yet).

	01-03-2002 17:28									#351
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Negotiations in Leipzig
Although all major European nations have agreed to the creation of an independent Austria in Berlin, the new borders across central Europe still need to be worked out. For this purpose Entente diplomats have moved to the neighbouring city of Leipzig. Once the treaties that are being drawn up there are ratified, the Second Reich will be divided into four occupation zones, one for each Entente power, while Greater Austria will remain independent as a homeland for German refugees.

The End of the Entente
But just as the Entente is at the peak of its success, it is being dissolved. 'The primary purpose of the Entente was as a safeguard against German aggression,' a spokesperson said today. 'So regretfully, it has no place in this post-Second Reich Europe.'

The Premier Winterfritz has expressed his utmost regret at the imminent end of the alliance, of which France was a founding member, and hopes that all of the former Entente members will maintain close ties with France well into the future.

	01-03-2002 17:32									#352
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quote: I've talked to a few people about surrendering cities, and it dosn't appear to be possible in a Civ 2 PBEM [though I would be very happy to be proved wrong].

So should I just play my turn now, and wait for El to give Soundwave his password so he can disband all his units? Or maybe you want to try this internet thing anyway, El. I'm free to go online anytime tomorrow, perhaps we could organise a time to meet on MSN and give this a shot?

	01-03-2002 23:48									#353
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i found out from an ancient PBEM in CIv Fanantics and its impossible to do it, coz everyones save and everything esle is different, so winterfritz have your turn and i'll wait for el to give me his password..

	02-03-2002 04:39									#354
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Kirk, I attached an old file -We've changed the rules again to include submarines (see the attached file)

Fritz, I say that you play your turn, then Soundwave can play his turn in which he'll disband the German Military, and evacuate all the towns which are to be surrendered.

BTW Soundwave, are you still going to give me the Austrian fleet?

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	02-03-2002 05:09									#355
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quote: We've changed the rules again to include submarines

Did we? I didn't notice

Oh well, if everyone agrees, then its fine by me.

I'll post my turn shortly.

	02-03-2002 05:10									#356
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Not that I mind the change, but did we agree on a change of the rules???

It doesn't change anything for me, but I don't remember having been asked whether it was alright for me or not

So, what rule am I to use form now on?? And in the future, please ask (even if I play a second rate country!!)...

	02-03-2002 05:13									#357
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I posted those changes a few days ago, and as nobody seemed to criticise them I assumed that they had been accepted

	02-03-2002 05:28									#358
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LOL i didn't know there were new rules!!

	02-03-2002 05:33									#359
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Well, it seems there was some misunderstanding...


And it seems we are nearly all online now as we all posted in a few minutes...

But I'm off right now, it's getting late for me...

	02-03-2002 06:13									#360
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Ok, I'll play my turn with the old rules then. We can always change later.