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The ANZAC
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The Rodina!
Jan 2000
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Valensky Proposal Issued!
Foreign Minister Borris Valensky issued a proposal for the independance of Germany.
1. An interim government will be formed from the cities of Rostock, Magdeburg, Erfurt, Leipzig, Prague, and Salzburg. After certain criteria are meant then
2. A provisional government is formed and the cities Graz, Regensburg, Nuremburg, Hannover, and Lubeck will be given back. Again some more criteria will need to be met then
3. Select areas will be kept under longer occupation. Germany will have to pass some strict guidelines and will get the cities of Vienna, Berlin, Frankfurt, Munich, Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Dortmund, Hamburg, and Kiel; maybe
4. The cities of Stettin, Trier, and Arhus will be open to plebiscite. How exactly this will be determined is yet decided upon.
Comments/Questions/Amendments welcome.
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JamesJKirk
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Dixon, CA USA
Jan 1970
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Kirk Broadly Accepts Valensky Proposal
After careful consideration, Prime Minister Kirk today annouced that he supported the aims of the Russian Valensky Proposal, but did have some minor questions and issues regarding it. First, Kirk requested that Russia provide examples of the criteria Germany would have to meet to move on to each successive phase. Second, Kirk announced that Kiel and Arhus are part of the Danish province of the Germanic Confederation, and should not be considered for territory of a new German state. Although Kirk did hint that he may accept Kiel as a Plebescite Area once he receives details about these. Kirk also would this Magdeburg should be considered an Occupation Zone. Thirdly, Kirk proposed an amendment to the proposal that would state that the head of government of a future German state would be subject to the approval of the five European powers (ie, we would get to vote on the player who takes the role of Germany).
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JamesJKirk
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Dixon, CA USA
Jan 1970
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Germany Agrees with all the British amendments accept having Magdeburg as an occupation zone.
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Do you mean
"RUSSIA Agrees with all the British amendments EXCEPT having Magdeburg as an occupation zone. "?
This would make a lot more sense. I'll act on the assumption that that's what you meant.
Britain accepts that Germany will need Magdeburg to function as a fledgling country, and thanks Russia for her quick acceptance of the other amendments.
Britain has one more question regarding Occupation Zones. Are Kiel and Hamburg both British Occupation Zones on the Russian proposal? Because as long as Britain has one Occupied city, I suppose she could be content. Though she'd prefer two.
On the topic of criteria, Britain sees them being such things as Time Periods, Diplomatic, Military, and Economic/Industrial questions. Most probably each set of criteria should require a couple or few of these. For example, one of the criteria could be something like Germany can move on once its built a factory, a national defense unit or an engineer, and one year has elapsed since it began the current phase. Something like that. We could also perhaps forbid Germany to have a password, at least up to a certain point, so that we all may check on its progress
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I'm sailing this thing to Mexico
Jan 2002
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French Government Responds to Valensky Proposal
Leading ministers in the Third Republic today deliberated the controversial Russian proposal to recreate an independent Germany. While it quickly emerged that the Chamber of Deputies was overwhelmingly in favour of Germany rejoining the 'European concert' on an equal level with the established powers, several points were found to be against the interests of France and amendments have been proposed.
- Firstly, the deputies refused to allow the city of Trier and its environs the option to join the new German state. 'The turbulent events of the last hundred years,' said Defense Minister Louis Jacquard, 'have made it clear that he who controls the Rhine controls the easiest route to Paris.' Responding to his persuasive arguments, the French government voted to retain the city of Trier and its surroundings, and proposed the Rhine as the boundry between the Third Republic and the future German state.
- Secondly, the French government would also like the express right of fortifying the line of the river. Only France will be allowed to build and man forts on the Rhine, with the proviso that no forts will be built directly adjacent to German cities such as Cologne.
- Thirdly, a large number of deputies, though recognising the importance of certain areas remaining occupied whilst the Germans proved themselves up to the responsibility of becoming an independent state once more, were of the opinion that denying the infant state the vital administrative and industrial centre of Berlin was both unnecessary and a blow to German pride which may re-emerge as resentment later. These ministers proposed that Germany gain the city of Berlin immediately on the first stage, as the centre of its interim government.
- Lastly, the deputies proposed a candidate for the leadership of this new German state: the former chancellor Martin von Karreras (El Awrence  ), who is believed to be retired and quietly living in Amsterdam. Contacting and reinstating this experienced leader was a proposal that was most popular with the Chamber of Deputies.
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The ANZAC
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The Rodina!
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Originally posted by winterfritz Firstly, the deputies refused to allow the city of Trier and its environs the option to join the new German state. |
This is completely understandable and Trier would have only possibly been handed over as a plebiscite area: there weren't any definitive yes's or no's.
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Secondly, the French government would also like the express right of fortifying the line of the river. Only France will be allowed to build and man forts on the Rhine, with the proviso that no forts will be built directly adjacent to German cities such as Cologne. |
Russia agrees but also these forts should not infringe on Germany's right to use the land it has been given. ie by blocking resources that the Germans use.
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Thirdly, a large number of deputies...were of the opinion that denying the infant state the vital administrative and industrial centre of Berlin was both unnecessary and a blow to German pride |
Russia finds this unacceptable. Britain and Russia both are forced to give up much of the prime realestate that we have in Germany, while France gets to keep for an extended period much of the Saar, Ruhr, and Rhineland, while we are stuck with 2 cities each. This is completely unfair and biased as France gets major production centers and we do not. So it should only be fair that Russia keep Berlin for an extended period as Russia does not have many production centers in it's occupied areas and Berlin would help tremendously.
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Lastly, the deputies proposed a candidate for the leadership of this new German state: the former chancellor Martin von Karreras (El Awrence ), who is believed to be retired and quietly living in Amsterdam. Contacting and reinstating this experienced leader was a proposal that was most popular with the Chamber of Deputies. |
Russia agrees.
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JamesJKirk
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Dixon, CA USA
Jan 1970
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Russia finds this unacceptable. Britain and Russia both are forced to give up much of the prime realestate that we have in Germany, while France gets to keep for an extended period much of the Saar, Ruhr, and Rhineland, while we are stuck with 2 cities each. This is completely unfair and biased as France gets major production centers and we do not. So it should only be fair that Russia keep Berlin for an extended period as Russia does not have many production centers in it's occupied areas and Berlin would help tremendously.
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Britain does agree that a Germany without Berlin as its immediate capitol is no Germany at all. However, I am presenting a compromise: As it now stands, Britain has 1 Occuppied Zone (OZ), and 1 Plebescite Area (PA). Russia has 2 OZs and 1 PA, and France has what looks like 5 OZs and 0 PAs.
The solution will be this:
Berlin will be exchanged with the rest of the Interim cities. Vienna will remain an OZ, and Stettin will still be a PA. To promote balance, Britain wouldn't mind if Prague's entry were to be admitted at the time of the Provisional government.
In return, France would only keep Munich as an OZ, and Cologne would be a PA, if approved. (If not Cologne, perhaps that city that starts with an "S" to the left of Munich).
Yes, Russia will lose Berlin, but it still has the Skoda Industrial Works, as well as the two traditionally German cities of Danzig and Koenigsburg. France will admit nearly all its German cities at one time, and Britain, France and Russia will all have 1 OZ and 1 PA.
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the deputies proposed a candidate for the leadership of this new German state: the former chancellor Martin von Karreras (El Awrence ), who is believed to be retired and quietly living in Amsterdam. Contacting and reinstating this experienced leader was a proposal that was most popular with the Chamber of Deputies.
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Britain nominates a second candidate: Iaonnes Schroeder for German leader.
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12-07-2002 07:27
I must have not been paying attention 
), I won't be able to post the save of my turn before Monday morning (when I come back to work!).
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