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winterfritz
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I'm sailing this thing to Mexico
Jan 2002
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Originally posted by The ANZAC
Russia also finds more in common with it's Slavic brethren, so if you count the other Slavic groups as well as the Russians, the "Pan-Slavs" have a 65% majority.
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Its funny that Russia suddenly has found she has so much in common with the Slavs in her empire. French observers wonder whether the ethnic groups in question would be as happy at suddenly being lumped with their oppressors in a 65% 'Pan-Slav majority.' Events such as the continuing pogroms, rebellions and viciously suppressed demonstrations in non-Russian areas of the Empire, suggest otherwise. Even for the Russians this seems a remarkable turnaround in opinion, given that normally they feel threatened enough by their Slavic 'brethren' to carry out the vicious and inhumane policy of Russification in areas such as the Ukraine, White Russia, Poland, Finland and the Baltic provinces.
In fact, its very funny that Russia should be concerned about the fitness of the Ottoman government to rule the Orthodox Christians under its jurisdiction when she has such a long history of maltreatment of the many minorities under her fist. The Ukrainian language is forbidden throughout the Russian Empire. Long standing Polish desires to again become an independent nation are brutally crushed, as in 1830-1, 1846, and 1863, while political parties are banned in Russian Poland to this day. Despite strikes and protests, all violently repressed, Finland's autonomous priveleges were abolished in 1899 and Finnish language and newspapers forbidden. Pogroms, a nineteenth century anachronism in civilized Europe, continue in Russia, occurring as recently as in 1903. Everywhere brutal Russification is utilized in an effort to stifle the independent peoples and cultures chafing under Russian tyranny, while the ubiquitous Okhrana use violence and murder to cement the autocracy of St.Petersburg.
Maybe a more important issue than the treatment of less than a million Orthodox Christians by Turkey is the recent acquisition by Russia of many millions of Central European peoples of various nationality; given the Russian Empire's long and consistent record with its ethnic minorities perhaps we would do better to save the Hungarians, Czechs and Germans from joining their neighbours in the misery of repression and Russification.
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This is conspiracy against Russia! France is trying to falsify the statitics in order to undermine the Russian position in Europe!
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There is no false data here. These are the facts. Can't you handle them?  
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The ANZAC
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The Rodina!
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Originally posted by winterfritz There is no false data here. These are the facts. Can't you handle them? |
NO! Grrh, neverous...breakdown...must stop those...responsible...can't talk--mrrph, mrprh 
Also my response to what you have said is this. All of the events mentioned occurred before the current government took power. So as long as the Ottoman Empire holds no responsibility for previous actions, so will Russia. Also the recent conversion to democracy has brought great advances in public health, productivity, and general living conditions, as well as allows freedom to all it's subjects. Also the Russian Confederacy is highly decentralized, leaving the indigenous people to mostly govern themselves. That is more than what I can say about the Ottoman Empire which was a despotic monarchy and now is in total anarchy.
As for the Black Sea Fleet we are entitled to stay where we are, as during the Austro-German War, the 2 space buffer zone between sovereign shores and ships was established and generally accepted. Also our Fleet was on secret exercises, which are now breached due to its spotting. Nonetheless, the Russian Confederacy is open to withdrawing the ships by the asking of a legitimate Turkish government, however the Ottoman Empire is in a revolution and total anarchy. Only once a provisional government is established that can stop the revolution and ensure internal stability and peace, will Russia be willing to hear requests for the removal of the fleet.
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winterfritz
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I'm sailing this thing to Mexico
Jan 2002
time: 05:17
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Russia laughs at hypocritical statements like this one, as France also "sneak-attacked" Austria and took territory. |
France is sorely puzzled by the above statement. We never attacked Austria. The only Austrian territory we own is the city of Regensburg, which was purchased from the Russian government (and at a good price too.) France is a peaceloving and civilized nation that would never contemplate such aggression and we ask that the Russian government retract this hurtful and untrue comment.
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We have nothing against France nor the Ottoman Empire, we do not wish war, but if it comes to this, there might be no other choice. 
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We also have no wish for war. As stated before, we are a civilized, peace-loving nation; our only interest in this situation is preserving the independence of our friends the Turkish people.
Seeing that we have reached an impasse that could lead to disastrous conflict, France proposes an alternative solution. For a while now French observers have been monitoring the turmoil in Istanbul; one faction, led by a Young Turk known as Cyrion, seems now poised to take control of the capitol and bring central authority back to the Ottoman Empire's scattered realms.
We propose that this faction, already so close to becoming the leaders of the Empire de jure be simply recognised as the de facto government. French representatives will be able to put the Russian government in touch with Cyrion and forward any demands concerning the battlefleet off Istanbul. All we ask is that Russia respect the sovereignty of the Turkish people and obey these demands, whatever they may be.
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Cyrion
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Caught somewhere in time
Jan 2002
time: 06:17
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The Democratic Federation of Turkey is born
Following the last weeks of anarchy in the Empire, a joint declaration from the Sultan Abd-ul Hamid II and the leader of the Young Turks Enver Pasha today proclamed the end of the Revolution!
Anxious not to let the turkish people suffer from a civil war, both sides agreed to discuss the future of the country and luckily an agreement has been found!
It has to be mentioned that the Sultan was more worried about the fate of Turkey than about his own power and once more proved to be an honorable man whose only failure was to have been born a few decades to late! Nonetheless, without his hard work in the last years to bring the Empire into the 20th Century, the future of the Nation would be dark indeed!
The new Turkish Constitution, on which Young Turks politicians, scientists, jurists, economists and officers have been working for month is loosely based on the swiss model. The Federation of the different parts of Turkey will allow for a good representation of the regions and various minorities, ethnical as well as religious, composing the Nation.
Regional elections are expected to be held in 3 month, presidential ones in 6 month. During the transition, the executive power will be in the hands of a man whose political shrewdness and dedication to the turkish cause nobody can doubt, the former Grand Vizier: Acting Prime Minister Cyrion!
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We are currently working on connecting the Balkans, but so far, we have not met any railroads. The Russian Confederacy would appreciate if Turkey and the rest of Europe would help enlighten us on this matter.
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