15-01-2002 03:34									#1
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<b>Edit by MtG: This is the "discussion" of the bannings split off from the OT thread. Keep any discussion or comments here, not in the original thread.</b>

quote: Originally posted by red_jon HOW DARE YOU DEFY GIANCARLO! Are you trying to usurp democracy? He is a fighter of the people (Nazis that is )

And you are a fighter for commies.

	15-01-2002 03:45									#2
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That'll be the last post for a while from either of those two. Giancarlo also has a one week suspended sentence from the last time he ran his mouth enough to get banned, back on December 8. He now gets to serve that as well, so the total will be two weeks for him.

See you gents on January 28.

	15-01-2002 03:56									#3
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quote: Giancarlo also has a one week suspended sentence from the last time he ran his mouth enough to get banned, back on December 8.

Damn, now I'll have to find someone else for amusement.

	15-01-2002 04:11									#4
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I ... love MtG, he really is a great mod and I'd never to anything to offend him... honest ...

	15-01-2002 06:35									#5
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If there's a next time this Giancarlo-gay-rant-BS comes up, then I'll be handing out some four week bans. I'm through wasting time with it.

Just everyone remember - four weeks, no whining. Now, hopefully everyone will get their minds right.

	15-01-2002 07:40									#6
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MtG,

Far be it from me to tell you how to do your job, and obviously it would be wrong to go back and change the punishments now, but...

PH was way out of line with that comment. His punishment was well-deserved. But what he said is one thing. Advocating mass murder is quite another. Just a little humble feedback to consider the next time this happens. (And let's not kid ourselves; there will be a next time.)

	15-01-2002 09:05									#7
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Are we surprised, Giancarlo??? Is this a pathetic attempt to associate yourself with glory?

	15-01-2002 09:21									#8
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat If there's a next time this Giancarlo-gay-rant-BS comes up, then I'll be handing out some four week bans. I'm through wasting time with it. Just everyone remember - four weeks, no whining. Now, hopefully everyone will get their minds right.

Giancarlo - don't reply to it and people will stop baiting you on that topic

	15-01-2002 12:49									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer MtG, Far be it from me to tell you how to do your job, and obviously it would be wrong to go back and change the punishments now, but... PH was way out of line with that comment. His punishment was well-deserved. But what he said is one thing. Advocating mass murder is quite another. Just a little humble feedback to consider the next time this happens. (And let's not kid ourselves; there will be a next time.)

I agree it's a different scale if it was a serious comment - but I don't take his mindless childish little temper-tantrum rants seriously. Especially wrapped up in that "in a Carini administration..." or however he phrased it BS.

Gian's now in the penalty doubling phase. After a while, I get sick of people who don't listen or don't care, so I just double each ban. That's why CivNation hasn't been back (under that name, and I haven't caught any DL's. After pulling a 16 week ban, we had a little discussion. At least he was honest enough to say that he had no intention of following the forum rules, and that he would do his homophobic rants anytime he wanted if he was allowed to post again. I had a very simple solution to that problem. Giancarlo's now headed down the same route, so he can wise up and learn to shut up, or I'll take care of that issue for him.

	15-01-2002 18:24									#10
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Two weeks for Provost Harrison for the choking on semen remark plus 20% PCR One week for Giancarlo for his firing live ammo into the gay parade remark and threadjacking. plus 10% PCR Grow up people.

Interesting how 'choking on semen' is regarded as twice as bad as firing live bullets into a gay rights parade....

Grow up indeed...

	15-01-2002 19:03									#11
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Bah. PH's comment made me laugh. Nothing that makes me laugh deserves a banning, and notice that he made Carini a president in his scenario as well, so it wasn't any more realistic that Giannie's while also being a hell of a lot funnier.

	15-01-2002 19:26									#12
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Bah. PH's comment made me laugh. Nothing that makes me laugh deserves a banning,

Thanks for your 2 cents. MTG, I havent been on this forum very long, but what little Ive seen has shown me that you do a great job. Good thing they didnt make Krazywhores a mod

	15-01-2002 19:32									#13
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Everywhere that was involved in the thread turned to crap saga should get a little vacation.

People push it and push it, when if they would shut up it would end.



Ban one, ban all.

	15-01-2002 19:33									#14
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quote: Originally posted by CB2034 Good thing they didnt make Krazywhores a mod

And why doesn't that deserve a banning too then?

	15-01-2002 19:36									#15
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I'll thank you not to quote him so I don't have to see crap like that. He's pissed because I put him on my Ignore list due to his explanation of why white people are better than minorities.

EDITED to include his quote

quote: When other races have problems with society they riot (I.E. Rodney King, etc). I say good job that white people arent rioting over this and settling it in a civilized manner

"This" refers to this.

	15-01-2002 21:25									#16
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*looks at punishments*
*scratches head*
PH mocks Gian
Gian threatens to carry out mass-murder
And PH gets double the punishment that Gian gets, (pre doubling) this makes sense how?

	15-01-2002 21:30									#17
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Hmm, missed all the fun (or actually, stupidity).

Only posted because of that little ditty that Krazy added, i saw that statue, it's a salute to political correctness, and most NY firefighters are mad as hell about it.

As for all the other stuff, BORING!

BTW, I think Bush was choking cause he had Miami, and it's contagious...

	15-01-2002 21:56									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh Interesting how 'choking on semen' is regarded as twice as bad as firing live bullets into a gay rights parade.... Grow up indeed...

Interesting how you come up with conclusions based on reading my mind. I didn't know you had so many talents. Interesting how you also don't bother to read what's in the same thread that's inconvenient to your little point.

The level of offensiveness of the remark and the length of the ban are not connected.

Provost Harrison started the threadjack, he kept it up, and he's been one of the crew that has fun pulling Giancarlo's chain. (edit - for months now) My banning him is to make an example and "motivate" the rest of that group to drop this BS. He's also got the brains to know better, he was just doing it for his (and others) entertainment.

Giancarlo's ban (which already had a week coming from last time), deals just with him. Since I've already banned him a few times for the same thing, he's now the second guest (after CivNation) in my ban-doubling program. Every time he gets banned for the same thing, the length doubles. When he gets to 16 weeks (a la CivNation), we have a little chat, and he's either in, or he's all the way out (a la CivNation)

There's about a dozen people who like to play the "pull Gianni's chain" game. Giancarlo is in his own little category of stupidity

Zhu -

Get a clue. Gian can't "threaten" diddly-squat.

Typical Giancarlo rant: "When my military coup takes over the US, everyone is going to blindly follow my orders and shoot everyone I don't like, because I'm charismatic and a great leader blah blah ****ing blah"

It's not a threat, it's a pathetic, childish tantrum with no connection to any reality.

<b>CB2034 - glad you approve of the job I'm doing. That'll be two days for the name-game with KH's handle.</b>

Rogan again - it doesn't deserve a banning until I actually see it, or get a complaint about it.

	15-01-2002 22:18									#19
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Hey, Mikey, does this mean you'll be spending more time on these here forums?

	15-01-2002 23:06									#20
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No, I'm working 80 hours a week. That's on a good week. Bad weeks, it'll approach 100.

So I figure if I go for the quick, brutal, lethal approach to moderation, it won't take up as much of my time.

	15-01-2002 23:18									#21
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Giancarlo was supposed to be ignoring people, though I know it's hard.
It could be turned around though.
You don't like Giancarlo (or whoever), then ignore.

Yes. I know. Sometimes very, very difficult.

	15-01-2002 23:52									#22
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I don't think any side is flattered by this latest episode of the Apolyton off-topic.

Giancarlo looks ridiculous for his gay taunts.

PH looks a bit daft for getting trolled into the game.

And the mods look as if they don't give a fig about any poster, and acted too late and too harshly. There isn't the moderator presence there used to be, allowing stuff like this to go on. There's been worse Giancarlo baiting than what PH did, but obviously it was by people the mods liked (the middle-aged Americans), or the mods just didn't even see it.

Hence my proposal that we need another mod.

And this time it should be a British or European poster for a ****ing change.

At least then we'll see a less heavy-handed attitude to jokey insults, which seem to be more accepted on our side of the Atlantic.

	16-01-2002 00:05									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's I don't think any side is flattered by this latest episode of the Apolyton off-topic. And the mods look as if they don't give a fig about any poster, and acted too late and too harshly. There isn't the moderator presence there used to be, allowing stuff like this to go on. There's been worse Giancarlo baiting than what PH did, but obviously it was by people the mods liked (the middle-aged Americans), or the mods just didn't even see it. Hence my proposal that we need another mod. And this time it should be a British or European poster for a ****ing change. At least then we'll see a less heavy-handed attitude to jokey insults, which seem to be more accepted on our side of the Atlantic.

Second that. There does seem to be large differences between what people can get away with depending on what time it is, who they are etc.

I also agree that some of PHs comments would have gone down well in an (educated) UK pub (though the subject might have been slightly offended), whereas questioning someone's sexuality in the US seems to be just about the most offensive thing you can say. In the UK, if you're offended by someone's jokey insult, ignore it if you can't think of a fitting retort, otherwise trade some witty barbs (largely in jest) and get over it.

	16-01-2002 00:08									#24
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It really wan't the comment that got PH in trouble. It was starting the whole Gian-gay-thing all over again. I think most of us are sick to death of the whole, is he/isn't he thread jackings. I love my PH, and give him his props, but he attacked the little troll one time to many.

	16-01-2002 00:14									#25
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I must agree.
Giancarlo baiting gets taken to the extreme.

	16-01-2002 00:19									#26
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Giancarlo seems to have succeeded in his attempt to get people banned when they respond to his insane rants.

Giancarlo has issues he needs to sort, but doesn't and takes it out on certain minorities which he can't deal with. He should remain banned like Civnation (I don't really see a difference - civnation never advocated mass executions did he?!)

My 2 penneth. MtG usually seems to do a good job.

	16-01-2002 00:21									#27
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I think the Giancarlo should be perma-banned for his own health. He's going to have an aneurysm if he stays here.

As long as he can't deal with how things are, I don't think he should be here at all.

And I certainly think he should have gotten way more than one week for the "live bullets" remark. That's way over the top. Talking about murdering minorities because they're minorities only warrants a one week ban?

	16-01-2002 00:22									#28
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Giancarlo must be fighting his gay urges. It's best not to fight them. Just give in to them. Pretty much every fanatical homophobe I've seen, has turned out to be gay just trying to fight what is natural to their brain chemistry.

I know some places here in Vegas where you can meet someone Gian. It's better to be happy than to take some imaginary moral high ground.

	16-01-2002 00:23									#29
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And I agree we need a British (or at least a Western European) mod.

	16-01-2002 00:24									#30
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You have Markos, so shut your whining .

Not like he isn't shy to pull the trigger in the OT!