23-01-2002 00:13									#31
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The "Grimes" persona is based upon Stebbins, who is now serving 20 years for statutory rape.

	23-01-2002 00:17									#32
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Are you sure that it is statutory rape? I thought that it was another charge all together.

Here's your cookie anyway.

	23-01-2002 00:23									#33
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Yeah, it was statutory rape.

Who was Grimes, again? I forgot.

	23-01-2002 00:26									#34
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Yeah, it was statutory rape.

Oh well. Guess I got some misleading info about the 12 year old girl then.

quote: Who was Grimes, again? I forgot.

"Grimes" was the company clerk, IIRC.

	23-01-2002 01:24									#35
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The movie rocked. I think the US should get involved in more conflicts that aren't our business just so we can have cool movies jk

I liked it when that skinny got hit by the RPG.

	23-01-2002 02:00									#36
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quote: The movie rocked. I think the US should get involved in more conflicts that aren't our business just so we can have cool movies

Yeah, WW2 is another great example of this

Sorry couldn't resist

	23-01-2002 04:38									#37
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quote: Originally posted by DanS "His son, Hussein Aidid, a former Marine and ex-US citizen has assumed his father's mantle as the de facto leader of Mogedeshiu." Amazing. I didn't know that and don't know what to make of it now. Re the Somali habit of moving toward the action, I think a majority were/are on skat (hallucinagenic laced tobacco-like leaf, IIRC), so they were totally whatcked out of their minds. Man, what a fvcked up place.

Roger that.

	23-01-2002 04:41									#38
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quote: Originally posted by SoulAssassin The movie rocked. I think the US should get involved in more conflicts that aren't our business just so we can have cool movies jk I liked it when that skinny got hit by the RPG.

You mean the one who in real life lost his vision, his hearing, his left hand, his right leg, and had his body filled with burning shrapnel?

He's got some of his vision back now, some of his hearing, but still goes through life with two missing limbs and a lot of holes in him.

The Somalis liked using RPG's as anti-personnel weapons.

	23-01-2002 10:41									#39
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quote: KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 23 (Reuters) - Cinema goers should not expect a history lesson from the military thriller "Black Hawk Down," which sidelines the role Malaysia played in rescuing U.S. troops in Somalia, Defence Minister Najib Tun Razak said. "We are disappointed that the film 'Black Hawk Down' had denied the sacrifices of our Malaysian Battalion team during the rescue operations when two U.S. helicopters went down in Somalia," Najib was quoted as saying by Wednesday's New Straits Times newspaper. "We cannot stop anyone from making their movies for commercial value... however, we have to take it with a pinch of salt," the minister added. However, Najib's spokesman told Reuters he had not yet seen the movie, although he had read the book. Eighteen U.S. Army Rangers and one Malaysian died on October 3, 1993 when Somali militias shot down two U.S. helicopters in the capital Mogadishu. The Red Cross reported 500 Somalis wounded and reporters saw truckloads of dead after what was one of the deadlier firefights in a botched U.S. and United Nations military intervention in Somalia between December 1992 and March 1995. The Ridley Scott-directed film, produced for the Sony Corp. (6758.T) by Revolution Studios, depicts an abortive U.S. effort to oust Somali warlord General Mohamed Farah Aideed. The production led the North American box office last weekend and also opened at number two in Britain and number one in Hong Kong, Singapore and Malaysia. The New Straits Times also quoted Colonel Mohd Rozi Baharom, the then deputy commander of Malaysia's contingent in Somalia, as voicing disappointment at the film's version of events. "Our soldiers were shot at from every angle and it was very intense for everyone. "I would rather that the writer did not even mention the role of the Malaysian troops during the rescue than change the whole history," he was quoted as saying.

I heard the somali's cheared each time a soldier went down

	23-01-2002 10:45									#40
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory I heard the somali's cheared each time a soldier went down

Oh come on. Like Americans don't cheer when German or Japanese planes get shot down in WWII movies?

	23-01-2002 10:52									#41
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What's this I hear about Somali's cheering each time an American went down?

If the US believes that it has the right to go into action wherever it pleases for whatever stupid purpose, then the people of those nations have all the right to go mad with joy at seeing some American haughty, beefy, army ranger cowboy get killed!

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	23-01-2002 10:53									#42
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If I were a Somali, I would have brought some popcorn along! Haha!!!

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	23-01-2002 10:57									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Dominikos If the US believes that it has the right to go into action wherever it pleases for whatever stupid purpose,

Agreed. We should have continue to let them starve to death. It wasn't our responsibility to try and feed those that at the time couldn't feed themselves.

quote: If I were a Somali, I would have brought some popcorn along! Haha!!!

You would likely have been shot to death as were many others who did something similar.

	23-01-2002 11:00									#44
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I agree......let them starve. Well, they already regret doing that ambush...since we puled out 300,000 have died in fighting or starved to death. Another 1,000,000 refugee's starving in Ethiopia and Eritrea.



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	23-01-2002 13:23									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Dominikos What's this I hear about Somali's cheering each time an American went down? If the US believes that it has the right to go into action wherever it pleases for whatever stupid purpose, then the people of those nations have all the right to go mad with joy at seeing some American haughty, beefy, army ranger cowboy get killed! ------------------ ~Emperor Dominik~

Go **** yourself repeatedly. It might eventually trickle in and mix with what little you've got for brains, and give you a second point of IQ to go with the one point you have, asswipe.

	23-01-2002 13:26									#46
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Go **** yourself repeatedly. It might eventually trickle in and mix with what little you've got for brains, and give you a second point of IQ to go with the one point you have, asswipe.

That sums up my feelings on the issue pretty well. The damn Somalis who were cheering can go **** themselves as well.

	23-01-2002 14:19									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Oh come on. Like Americans don't cheer when German or Japanese planes get shot down in WWII movies?

Does this really happen at your local theatre? I have only seen people actually cheer one time, and it was when De Niro's character shot the Vietnamese dude who was forcing people to play Russian Roulette in The Deer Hunter.

	23-01-2002 20:36									#48
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They were cheering; I read this yesterday at the BBC.

Somalis cheer Black Hawk Down

	23-01-2002 21:45									#49
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Well, they can cheer all they want. We can't control what they do. But the last time I heard cheering was at Independence Day, where the enemy was from an area several parsecs away.

An interesting part of the article...

"There's not one single word of the Somali
language nor Somali music, almost nothing of
our culture in the movie," said Mohamed Ali
Abdi.

"This is absurd, but still they copied our sandy
streets and rough buildings and the crazy
nature of the Somalis to continue the fighting,"
he said.

Crazy... We were probably killing at a ratio of 100:1, but still they came on. It just ain't rational behavior. Reminds me of Zulu, except completely devoid of rationality.

	23-01-2002 22:41									#50
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Ya, the Somali's can **** themselves. We go to feed them, and they ****in shoot us. They can starve to death for all I give a ****...we dont owe them ****. They bit the hand that was feeding them.

	23-01-2002 22:43									#51
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I wouldnt lump the Zulu's in too much with them. The Zulu's atleast gave shitloads of undue respect to there enemys (Rourkes Drift anybody?)

not dragging them through the streets and urinating on there dead bodies.

	23-01-2002 22:52									#52
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Most of the Somalis didn't. The mother****ers we got into it (Aidid's people) with were the same people who forced starving Somalis (of different clans/tribes) to reload UN relief onto trucks so that Aidid's people could distribute the food among themselves and sell it on the black market.

There is no sense of being Somali, compared to a sense of belonging to the many different clans. Aidid (and to a much lesser extent Mahdi) used the availability or denial of aid at gunpoint as a weapon of war against what we mistakenly thought were "their" people.

The people we tried to feed, and those who were attacking the UN and later US forces, were different people we lumped in the category of being "Somalis"

	23-01-2002 22:58									#53
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MTG we went in there cause we thought we were doing a good thing. Clinton, pushed into that damn war...all throughout the campaign he *****ed and moaned about it. Not to mention, the Buearacracy involved in the UN...we couldnt even get access to a dozen vehicles that would of made all the difference...


I feel bad for those rangers who got abandoned up in there. I blame Clinton, the UN, and the Russians (for arming somalia to the teeth with RPG's and Klashnikov's)

	23-01-2002 23:38									#54
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A dozen vehicles wouldn't have made the difference. A mechanized brigade would have. And the denial of access to IFV's and heavy air support came from Les may he rot in hell Aspin. The UN did not have operational control over our activities.

We armed the "technicals" as much or more than the Soviets - M2HB .50 cal HMGs were widely employed. The preference for Kalashnikovs was simple - they pack more punch, (this was prior to the issue of the 5.45 mm round, which is not popular in 3rd world export) and are superior to the M-16 in a dirty environment with poor field maintenance procedures. Most of the Kalashnikovs present by that time were open market purchased from money derived from stolen aid and other illicit activities. A good number of the *******s we fought were originally armed by the US.

We have never developed a weapon as effective as the RPG for it's weight and use, because it wasn't useful to our operational doctrine. So nearly every banana country armed force uses them because they're dirt cheap, readily avaialable on global arms markets, and there's no competing weapon in the bang for the buck category.

	24-01-2002 00:04									#55
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quote: They were cheering

quote: Well, they can cheer all they want.

And you can bet your sweet ass that Ill be cheering when we go back in there with overwhelming firepower and finish what we started.(And I dont mean feeding them).

Bunch of cockroaches

	24-01-2002 00:10									#56
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I saw a reportage on CNN about that film and Somalia. And the somalis enjoyed it because they liked to see americans die

What were you doing in Somalia? Who asked you to go there?
Why were they laughing? It was clear that you are there enemies.

Can someone please answer me in 2 lines because I do not know much about the subject.

	24-01-2002 00:20									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander Does this really happen at your local theatre?

Yes, and I don't even live in the USA! Well, OK... it's not really the japanese, german or vietenemse in particular, it's what ever is depicted as the villian in the movie. (which is generally always an american enemy, since the films are american.)

	24-01-2002 00:24									#58
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The UN went there, in suport of humanitarian relief efforts. As the UN had it's ass handed to it, it asked the US to take a larger security role in the humanitarian mission. We were the enemies of Mohammad Farah Aidid, who's followers found the Somali famine and drought to be a convenient weapon of extermination against the traditional enemies / victims (farmer tribes as opposed to warrior tribes) of his clan.

The famine threatened 4.5 million Somalis. Aidid was quite happy with that, because they weren't his people, they were enemies of his people, so he was happy to attack UN forces (initially mostly non-Americans), and hijack relief supplies from humanitarian groups.

	24-01-2002 00:55									#59
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat The UN went there, in suport of humanitarian relief efforts. As the UN had it's ass handed to it, it asked the US to take a larger security role in the humanitarian mission. We were the enemies of Mohammad Farah Aidid, who's followers found the Somali famine and drought to be a convenient weapon of extermination against the traditional enemies / victims (farmer tribes as opposed to warrior tribes) of his clan. The famine threatened 4.5 million Somalis. Aidid was quite happy with that, because they weren't his people, they were enemies of his people, so he was happy to attack UN forces (initially mostly non-Americans), and hijack relief supplies from humanitarian groups.

I see. So you were caught up between fighting fractions.

So logically those whom you tried to help would be on your side.

What is the percentage of those with Aidid and those against him in Somalia, anyone knows?

	24-01-2002 01:08									#60
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BTW I know this would sound harsh but it sounded like a badly planed operation.

But in this instance and from the few things I have heard about it, it seems to me that this was an instance where the US really did try to help without having an agenda of its own... So I guess I'm sorry that these things happened.

Maybe when the euro-army will be cemented you can just say "do it yourselves and see how it goes".

I think that a very large part of the US military officials had very strong reservations about doing it. And that it was the Clinton administration (good intentions - wrong choices in that matter) who forced the military to go there no matter what.

Isn't it also true that in Somalia the Al Qaeda has a large following?

This whole region seems like a volcano that explodes from time to time and whoever happens to be there gets fried.