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I am from Oregon
most of my stats were from when I was a sophmore in highschool
I know that they have gone up (reason for the +, a few are updated from talking to youger siblings)
and I agree that 10%-35% trying marijuana by the end of college is OK (it really is not that bad of drug, only real problem is makes people into losers (not all))
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Lisboa, Portugal
Jun 2000
time: 05:17
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Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Of course, I'm sorry. You said that parents in the US aren't mature enough, and that they don't have realistic life goals. The question I asked is why that is different in Canada or Europe? Are parents and people really that different, and if so, what caused this? |
Well, I'm portuguese, european, not american, so I just can say what is my oppinion about americans. 
IMO, you become wise with experience. Being wise is to have the abillity to avoid bad moments and bad experiences in your life. When you reach the status of a parent (wich the majority of the people world wide does), and you haven't been able to aquire a position about what a good morality is/should be, you just won't have anything to inculcate to your off-springs. This way they are exposed to pier pressure and to the bad examples of "how easy life is" that you see in TV/movies/comics or even games!
What I mean is that everybody needs to be set a path in their lives. If this doesn't happen, kids will "take the long way home", if you get what I mean. And when they become parents, the lack of guidance will be much greater, as we can currently see in our society, but even more in the american society.
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Jon Miller
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Originally posted by Natan
I think that the raw numbers conceal the complexity of the matter - this stuff will very a lot depending on where you go and what sort of people you poll. For example, as a result of the implosion of the black family, a extremely large number of black teenagers have sex, (and often without protection, which accounts for high STD numbers in the black community and partially for the high numbers in America as a whole) and many try drugs. Certain social and economic groups probably have various correlations with these things as well. It probably varies by region of the country as well.
Also, who says that this problem is actually getting worse rather than just getting more exposure? We all know that American society has been getting more conservative over the past decade or two, so couldn't this be the result of increased concern rather than increased cause for concern? |
I know that it got worse in my school from my 8/9 time until 12 and has gotten worse since then (I have younher siblings that went there (thankfully no longer, the youngest is now being sent to private school dispite my family not having the money (my parents are frightfully in debt), that is why I am pro vouchers))
my school was mostly white with a strong hispanic minority
and I knew a number of dealers who were in 5th and 6th grade (they have since grown older, probably still young ones I do not know though)
and the schools and the town is just getting worse
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Jon Miller
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there aredecent schools
there is just no way to generalize
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Saint Marcus
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Scio Me Nihil Scire
Jan 1970
time: 06:17
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Well, I go to a rich surburban public high school, and about half school does pot, nearly everyone drinks beer, sex is common.... And as far as bullying, Columbine High School was in another rich, suburban high school. |
Exactly, and Conyers was also a middle class white school. These aren't schools in the Bronx we're talking about, but schools in "respected" middle to upper-middle class (and usually white) neighbourhoods.
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I think the current problems plauging schools are nearly universal. |
Far be it for me to judge this, but it's obvious it's not isolated. That doesn't mean it goes on in every single school in the US though, but I do fear this is the case in the mayority in some degree.
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I'm going to have to save a copy of this thread. That way, next time one of the gun control threads gets going, and someone asks me "what cultural differences", I can say, "ones like this". |
The cultural difference you're refering to is how teenagers behave in various countries (for whatever reasons), or am I reading you wrong?
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As much as I hate to say it, Mark is for the most part correct. |
This isn't a troll-thread. I only wish it was. I have too many ties to the country to troll about matters like this.
Though I understand your personal dislike/distrust of me
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Sikander
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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
time: 22:17
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As others have stated here, and I have said on other threads dealing with the U.S., there are a number of cultures here, which have statistical variances as great or greater than most European countries have measured against their neighbors. The U.S. population is also very mobile, which tends to concentrate the population by just about anything you care to name, race, culture, age, occupations, tastes etc. This tends to concentrate certain types of problems very effectively. Take one problem, murder, where about half of all the murders in the U.S. occur in a broadly defined population which is about 5% of the U.S. population.
If I had to pick one problem in particular which I think tends to have a deliterious effect on teenage psyches, my choice would be lack of parenting. This comes from several sources, the two biggest being both parents working (and hence the latchkey kids like those in the documentary), and the implosion of the family (especially African American families).
A host of other reasons play their part in this as well, not the least of which is that children raised in the 1970s (the original abandoned and troubled generation in this sequence) often have no idea what proper parenting looks like, even if they haven't bought into their parents groovy do your own thing hippy lifestyle in other ways. And it isn't merely a lack of information which keeps these parents from being good parents. Many of them are damaged by their own childhoods, and currently incapable of the empathy required to meet their childrens' needs. They have a tendency to just check out when things get tough, which was their means of coping with their own abandonment. Unfortunately it also perpetuates the problem onto another generation, for it is itself a form of abandonment.
As Natan pointed out, there is some hope. I have seen a lot of my peers purposefully make a serious effort to be the kind of parents that their children need, and that their parents were not. I think the trend is for better mental health, and we will see this snowball as the generational torch is passed on.
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Dr Strangelove
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The most recent figures I've seen from a medical source stated that less than 10% of teens 13 and under had had sex. Less than 45% of teens 15 and under had had sex, so currently most young adults don't have their first sexual encounter until they're 16 or older.
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