25-01-2002 01:49									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Ha! What can your pilots do? Turn on and off the simulator? Pfffff.

According to NATO reports Greek pilots have the highest rankings in NATO's exercises. Their ratings are higher from all NATO members.
Our launch readiness is 5 minutes, the highest in the world.

	25-01-2002 01:50									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Keygen Our launch readiness is 5 minutes, the highest in the world.

You mean, the highest in NATO.

	25-01-2002 01:58									#33
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The greatest military in the world(USA) laughs at all you little countries beating your chests, when you can take on a fully loaded F-14 with a Phoenix missile or the soon to be active Y-22 Raptor and actually beat one, then you can start thumping your chest.

	25-01-2002 02:02									#34
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Key, it doesnt take a goo pilot to use a AAMRAM

Does this mean that they can handle American and Isreali pilots as well because they have AAMRAMs?

quote: Originally posted by faded glory Thats a bold statement. Considering war hasnt broke out in awhile. Turkey has found new friends, and her friends have shown her how to fight a war a bit better. Her friends also gave her tools.

So?

We have friend too. We are member of EU and currently in Euro Zone.

In the contrary Turkey is near economically collapsing.
They sent Etsevit to beg for a big loan.

Did you know that a Greek paratroop battalion wiped out an entire Turkish battalion with no single casualty in the battle of the airport of Nicossia in 1974?

Did you know that a Greek paratroop on his own with a single anti-tank weapon and 8 missiles destroyed 6 Turkish tanks in Nicossia also in 1974?

quote: Originally posted by faded glory F-15's are to be acquired bye the Turkish Airforce sometime in 2004

Really? Well, it's 2002

	25-01-2002 02:03									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Eli You mean, the highest in NATO.

No, I mean the highest in the world.

	25-01-2002 02:05									#36
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Hands down.....USA would support turkey. Maybe not 20 years ago, but times have changed.

Also...a bit off topic for this thread, it looks likes its confirmed now that we are going after Iraq as part of the WoT. I guess Bush slipped a few 20's in Ecevits pockets ...he now doesnt seem to think that a US attack will hurt turkish integrity. Which is a big 360 compared to last month


Ahh.....the Zionist/Yankee conspiracy hard at work ousting those who disagree

	25-01-2002 02:09									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant The greatest military in the world(USA) laughs at all you little countries beating your chests, when you can take on a fully loaded F-14 with a Phoenix missile or the soon to be active Y-22 Raptor and actually beat one, then you can start thumping your chest.

Were you accually laughing back in 1964-1974 in Vietnam?

I forgot, what happened to your rangers in Somalia?
I remeber watching in TV a Somalian dancing on the ass of a dead American ranger.

You have short memory...

	25-01-2002 02:10									#38
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Faded,
You know why that is, I'll bet Bush told Ecevits that if he doesn't worry too much about us ripping another ******* in Iraq that Kurdistan can be under his control after the war, what ya think?

And....the US would not allow Greece and Turkey to get into a sustained war.

	25-01-2002 02:11									#39
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Hands down.....USA would support turkey. Maybe not 20 years ago, but times have changed.

What for?
Because Turkey would attack us?

	25-01-2002 02:12									#40
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Blame that on the UN. Who didnt give us any tanks.

Oh vietnam again huh? We could win that today Junges are no place to hide when you have thermal imaging

	25-01-2002 02:13									#41
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Really Key,
We should have never been in Vietnam, no support and if I am correct our Somaly force took on 5000 somalians with what 150 troops and wiped out nearly half of them while we lost 10 and Clinton was largely to blame. You better hope we never decide to seriously turn our guns at you, last thing you would hear is the whistle of a bomb as our stealths go overhead, I suggest you bring your thinking to the year 2000.

	25-01-2002 02:13									#42
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Also...a bit off topic for this thread, it looks likes its confirmed now that we are going after Iraq as part of the WoT. I guess Bush slipped a few 20's in Ecevits pockets ...he now doesnt seem to think that a US attack will hurt turkish integrity. Which is a big 360 compared to last month

180, surely.

	25-01-2002 02:16									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Faded, You know why that is, I'll bet Bush told Ecevits that if he doesn't worry too much about us ripping another ******* in Iraq that Kurdistan can be under his control after the war, what ya think?

I'll be your right Defiant! Good political move anyway....the Kurds are a bunch of Terrorists anyways.So we use Turkey for Base, use Kurds in the north to topple Regime along with a few US divisions.

Then we leave our military presence in the region for good...and turn a blind eye to what the turks do to the PKK some years later!


Damn your good defiant

	25-01-2002 02:17									#44
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quote: Originally posted by lightblue 180, surely.

yup

Sorry....360 would be a complete circle

	25-01-2002 02:19									#45
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There you go, the new way to fight wars, let the other guy do it with our support.

	25-01-2002 02:21									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Really Key, We should have never been in Vietnam, no support and if I am correct our Somaly force took on 5000 somalians with what 150 troops and wiped out nearly half of them while we lost 10 and Clinton was largely to blame. You better hope we never decide to seriously turn our guns at you, last thing you would hear is the whistle of a bomb as our stealths go overhead, I suggest you bring your thinking to the year 2000.

Defiant, you have the most advanced army in the world right now and counting 1.5 million soldiers in service.

How could a little country like mine with 150.000 soldiers and far less weaponry handle with you?

I don't understand what the whole conversation has to do with the subject of the thread?
We begun with the violation of the FIR of Athens and end up to an imaginary conflict between Greece and USA wich are allies and have fought in both world wars side by side will Turkey was in the opposite camp.

God get a hold of yourself

	25-01-2002 02:26									#47
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory the Kurds are a bunch of Terrorists anyways.

The Kurds are a different nation inhabited in the area before the arrival of the Turks. They fought for their freedom using all means, even terrorism as Turkish was already doing against them.

Didn't you fought for your freedom too three centuries back?
And you were of the same nationality with the British

	25-01-2002 02:26									#48
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Of course Im just joking Key.


I would rather there be peace between you two. But your complaining over few air space-violations (its obvouis turks do it on purpose) So why dont you just stay with the status quo or get the EU to apply a bit of pressure on Ankara. Since there obvouisy doing it on purpose and with intent to piss-off.

I was quite serois about USA supporting Turkey. On the USA-Buddy scale, Greece is a 5, whie turkey is like an 8.

	25-01-2002 02:28									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant I suggest you bring your thinking to the year 2000.

Those who ignore history usually makes the greatest faults...

	25-01-2002 02:28									#50
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Key,
Again I was just making light of the problems between Greece and Turkey and the chest thumping until you happen to insult the USA with Somalia and Vietnam, I take that a little personal when we lose soldiers, even 10 and espeically if they are dragging them through the streets, good thing I wasn't President or a tactical nuke could have been used and there would be few less warlords in Somlia.

	25-01-2002 02:30									#51
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I don't think any of the NATO countries would choose sides unless one side was the obvious agressor. If Turkey lauched an unprovoked attack on Greece then NATO (including the US) would back Greece. If it happened the other way around, then they would back Turkey. It is unlikely that anything would happen anyway with Greece reliant on EU money to get up to speed in Europe and Turkey wanting in on the cash as well at some point.

	25-01-2002 02:31									#52
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Im not of British descent (german/Russian, and damn proud of it)


But theres just no place in the region for a Kurdish nation. We both know that.... Its that simple



BTW:Big fire-fight north of khandahar. 19 Al-Queda dead, 22 surrendured...1 US marine with richochet that hit his ankle. Damn...we are good. Those odds rock.

	25-01-2002 02:32									#53
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory But your complaining over few air space-violations (its obvouis turks do it on purpose)

Why not complain?

So if you know they do it purpose why do you support them?
Doesn't make much sence to me...

	25-01-2002 02:33									#54
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory But theres just no place in the region for a Kurdish nation. We both know that.... Its that simple

They will have plenty of space after we nuke Iraq.

	25-01-2002 02:33									#55
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Key,
I never ignore history, I also don't dwell on it, the overwhelming victory in Iraq is a direct result of Vietman, we were not going to make the same mistake twice, and what did we do, (with our coalition partners) virtually wiped out I believe the fourth largest standing army at the time within a half a year. No Key, we will never forget the past but today is different.

	25-01-2002 02:34									#56
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Of course Im just joking Key. I would rather there be peace between you two. But your complaining over few air space-violations (its obvouis turks do it on purpose) So why dont you just stay with the status quo or get the EU to apply a bit of pressure on Ankara. Since there obvouisy doing it on purpose and with intent to piss-off. I was quite serois about USA supporting Turkey. On the USA-Buddy scale, Greece is a 5, whie turkey is like an 8.

that's why you don;t have any integrity in the world. You «support» a military regime who violates the interntional laws instead of a democracy. And I bet you do it the world over too.


But last time I checked the US is far from being an enemy to Greece. You can't in your serious mind contemplate that iof war breaks US will aid Turkey

And in the grand scheme of things Greece has far, far more friends than Turkey does. From The russians and the arabs and the yes, in part, the americans to the EU.

What does Tureky have?


While we are here talking the people of turkey are starving.


Does that make you happy? We have a far superior economy and we live like kings in comparison and with freedom sicne we are a democracy.

But you said one good thing faded, that the EU shuould pressure Turkey, well guess what, it already does.

Take lessons.

	25-01-2002 02:36									#57
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory (german/Russian, and damn proud of it)

Why not

quote: Originally posted by faded glory But theres just no place in the region for a Kurdish nation. We both know that.... Its that simple

Turkey has population of 60 million people rigth now.
20 millions are Kurds

	25-01-2002 02:37									#58
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lol eli



no but really...Kurdistan is the size of Syria. And its area cover's 5 different nations. If there were ever a "Kurdistan" it would ignite a hugepowder keg. Iran, Tukey, Syria, Iraq, and somthing stan (Ajer?) would lose huge chunks of there territory. That simply...can never be.

	25-01-2002 02:39									#59
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I live in the greatest Democracy and we have people starving here too, that is a worldly problem that all rational nations try to limit or fix.
Like I said before the USA would never let two nations like Greece and Turkey go to serious confrontations, doesn't make any sense.

	25-01-2002 02:40									#60
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the kurds anoth reason you are hated the world over (the ones who think like you faded )




And watch as the US - Turkey will fight like little children about what to do in Iraq...


Kurds should have a country of their own. WHo are you to say they can't?