25-01-2002 02:42									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant I live in the greatest Democracy

hardly!

quote: and we have people starving here too, that is a worldly problem that all rational nations try to limit or fix.

Europe has a social welfare net, it doesn't have your problems. Turkey's people are starving becuase of th emilitary regime they have and because their minds are to war.

quote: Like I said before the USA would never let two nations like Greece and Turkey go to serious confrontations, doesn't make any sense.

In that, I agree with you.

	25-01-2002 02:43									#62
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That's ridiculous Pak,
Let's see, my forfathers took a country away from the Native Americans here, so I should give it back, too late. Kurdistan will be assimilated by another country like Turkey or one of the bordering and probably the country the United States need the most at that time.

	25-01-2002 02:44									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Key, I never ignore history, I also don't dwell on it, the overwhelming victory in Iraq is a direct result of Vietman, we were not going to make the same mistake twice, and what did we do, (with our coalition partners) virtually wiped out I believe the fourth largest standing army at the time within a half a year. No Key, we will never forget the past but today is different.

It is undeniable that you have a great army but Iraqi soldiers are not famous for their abilities. Beside you wasn't alone in the Gulf War.

quote: Originally posted by Defiant but today is different.

I never claimed the opposite.

But along with your successes your failures must be noticed too.
Just to remind you that you are not immortals and history dictates that great powers rise and fall.
We were great power too in the past twice...

	25-01-2002 02:45									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant That's ridiculous Pak, Let's see, my forfathers took a country away from the Native Americans here, so I should give it back, too late.

If the russians,chinese and EU ever nuked you, your successors in that land will be the indians yes

quote: Kurdistan will be assimilated by another country like Turkey or one of the bordering and probably the country the United States need the most at that time.

Not likely. They can barely control the 20 millions of Kurds which they massacre.

	25-01-2002 02:46									#65
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Social Welfare,
God I hate that word, means tremendous taxes here and lets see, Socialism is how far away from communism on the left-right scale. I suppose you believe the rich should be taxed higher then the poor on a percentage basis, don't you.

	25-01-2002 02:46									#66
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Take lessons.

Where can I sign up?

quote: that's why you don;t have any integrity in the world. You «support» a military regime who violates the interntional laws instead of a democracy. And I bet you do it the world over too.

Because Turkey has a very important role to play in what we call "Operation Northern Watch".

quote: But last time I checked the US is far from being an enemy to Greece. You can't in your serious mind contemplate that iof war breaks US will aid Turkey

Yes...of course we will push for peace andwont take sides with Nato nations publicly..But privately we would hope turkey cam e out on top.But I serousily doubt you would last long against the turks! Your outnumbered 5:1 in most everything! Turks also have a huge military technology edge.

quote: And in the grand scheme of things Greece has far, far more friends than Turkey does. From The russians and the arabs and the yes, in part, the americans to the EU. What does Tureky have?

Ya.....we will see if the EU comes to help greece in the event of war. I'dewouldnt be suprised if they were as tight lipped as we are about taking sides.

See above for second part

quote: Does that make you happy? We have a far superior economy and we live like kings in comparison and with freedom sicne we are a democracy.

Turkey is also a democracy if im not mistaken. Just a bit corrupt OF course I could be completel wrong.....

quote: But you said one good thing faded, that the EU shuould pressure Turkey, well guess what, it already does.

Suprise.....Suprise....the EU wields little influence. Told you so


ps. These are just light trolls Dont take me serouis now.

	25-01-2002 02:49									#67
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory ps. These are just light trolls Dont take me serouis now.

OK (but 5:1 means nothin as was proven by Greece in WW2. Yes Greece. You remember? your Ally? The one who fought together while Turkey was hiding its head in the sand?)

	25-01-2002 02:49									#68
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Why not, Saddam seems to be controlling them, who is going to nuke us, china with all their two ballistic missiles aimed at us, made in China, I know how well those products work and if Bush got out of the ABM treaty with Russia, you can bet there is a defense system going in place to counter incoming missiles, you never know what technology we have until we have to use it, like stealth bombers and fighters. Willing to bet your countries welfare against our technology??????

	25-01-2002 02:50									#69
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory no but really...Kurdistan is the size of Syria. And its area cover's 5 different nations. If there were ever a "Kurdistan" it would ignite a hugepowder keg. Iran, Tukey, Syria, Iraq, and somthing stan (Ajer?) would lose huge chunks of there territory. That simply...can never be.

Who said that it is applicable?

quote: Originally posted by Defiant That's ridiculous Pak, Let's see, my forfathers took a country away from the Native Americans here, so I should give it back, too late. Kurdistan will be assimilated by another country like Turkey or one of the bordering and probably the country the United States need the most at that time.

How many Native American do they live in the United States?
The 0,1 % of your population?

Well, hear this. Kurds are the 1/3 of the total population of Turkey.

	25-01-2002 02:52									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Why not, Saddam seems to be controlling them, who is going to nuke us, china with all their two ballistic missiles aimed at us, made in China, I know how well those products work and if Bush got out of the ABM treaty with Russia, you can bet there is a defense system going in place to counter incoming missiles, you never know what technology we have until we have to use it, like stealth bombers and fighters. Willing to bet your countries welfare against our technology??????

Relax Defiant, noone is going to nuke you

For the foreasble future.

I think

	25-01-2002 02:53									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Social Welfare, God I hate that word, means tremendous taxes here and lets see, Socialism is how far away from communism on the left-right scale. I suppose you believe the rich should be taxed higher then the poor on a percentage basis, don't you.

Have you ever visited Norway?

	25-01-2002 02:54									#72
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Key there are less thn 300,000 N.Indians in USA. The rest are mixed/assimilitated.


Correct, 20 million or 50 million, Kuristan is not possible. It would be like creating Israel in the middle of the arab world

	25-01-2002 02:56									#73
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory It would be like creating Israel in the middle of the arab world

It is on the middle of the Arabic world

	25-01-2002 02:57									#74
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Key there are less thn 300,000 N.Indians in USA. The rest are mixed/assimilitated. Correct, 20 million or 50 million, Kuristan is not possible. It would be like creating Israel in the middle of the arab world

So you're saying that it was wriong to create Israel?

(not even I would ever say that thing even for trolling)

Kurds are muslim BTW and no muslim likes Turkey more than it likes kurds.

	25-01-2002 02:57									#75
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Between full blooded Native Americans and mixed blood, there are a couple million, that is also another good point, how can anyone really tell who is what after all the years of inter-mingling, if that is the right word, I really don't understand the thousands of years of fighting from the Middle East up through the Balkans just because of background, you are telling me everybody can tell by looking that he is a Kurd, muslim, Christian, or whatever and then to partake in genocide against that for a grudge from maybe 2000 years ago, my God what a sad loss of life.

	25-01-2002 03:00									#76
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No never visited Norway, but tell me where they are on the economic or social scale, I think a zero on the number line come to mind, what did they create in the last thousand years that we use, you know, like computers, cars, anything industrias that comes from a Democratic society.

	25-01-2002 03:01									#77
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Keygen I was just joking with you I dont want to see anywar between Greece and Turkey. What if Turkey conquered Greece? What would you call it then ? Greasy Turkey? (Mmm.....Greasy Turkey, homer drool)


I was just baiting and trolling.
I have to get packed for tommorrow

Sorrry.....I wish I could continue


Btw....Why did you and nuke-boy Back-Stab me in World Scenario PBEM


You Cossack Basterds Turn on your old friend..

	25-01-2002 03:03									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Between full blooded Native Americans and mixed blood, there are a couple million, that is also another good point, how can anyone really tell who is what after all the years of inter-mingling, if that is the right word, I really don't understand the thousands of years of fighting from the Middle East up through the Balkans just because of background, you are telling me everybody can tell by looking that he is a Kurd, muslim, Christian, or whatever and then to partake in genocide against that for a grudge from maybe 2000 years ago, my God what a sad loss of life.

You should talk. You butchered a whole peoples


Today, there is bloodshed in Tureky because they treat kurds like scum. If they treated them like human beings there wouldn'e be bloodshed.

The same applies everywhere in the world.

	25-01-2002 03:05									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant No never visited Norway, but tell me where they are on the economic or social scale, I think a zero on the number line come to mind, what did they create in the last thousand years that we use, you know, like computers, cars, anything industrias that comes from a Democratic society.

You can't compare the quality of life of the EU with USA . sorry. We are far superior.

	25-01-2002 03:08									#80
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Btw I play my last turn in World Scenario PBEM today.


I learned some impornant things....


Never trust Greek player behind you and German one in front of you


I got hard-core raped in that game. That basterd Swissy.....Oh I will get him


Thanks for the fun Key

	25-01-2002 03:08									#81
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I don't think that is why Palestine is fighting Israel every moment they get, and yes the United States has some horrible background but hopefully we can evolve past that. The Native Americans are the last nationality we slaughtered just because of race, I wish other nations would join in that kind of thinking, no one race of people is better than another and all should be treated as they want to be treated, some wishful thinking, eh?

	25-01-2002 03:11									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant I don't think that is why Palestine is fighting Israel every moment they get, and yes the United States has some horrible background but hopefully we can evolve past that. The Native Americans are the last nationality we slaughtered just because of race, I wish other nations would join in that kind of thinking, no one race of people is better than another and all should be treated as they want to be treated, some wishful thinking, eh?

So put your money where your mouth is and stop supporting a country (Turkey) that massacres another people (Kurds) based on their race


Do you support democratic ideals or do you not?

	25-01-2002 03:11									#83
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 You can't compare the quality of life of the EU with USA . sorry. We are far superior.

Ugh? The Average American Midde Class makes 50,000 - 80,000 and has 2 cars, and a 1700 square foot house And our middle class is larger than our lower class.


Europe cant even compare. Most of you guys live in 50 year old homes and still rely on Bus schedules

	25-01-2002 03:14									#84
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Ugh? The Average American Midde Class makes 50,000 - 80,000 and has 2 cars, and a 1700 square foot house And our middle class is larger than our lower class. Europe cant even compare. Most of you guys live in 50 year old homes and still rely on Bus schedules

walk across america: ghettos, shooting, no medical care, people dying like dogs


walk across europe: parks, sunshine, happy people, peace, quality of life, culture

	25-01-2002 03:17									#85
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quote: So put your money where your mouth is and stop supporting a country (Turkey) that massacres another people (Kurds) based on their race

There's several problems with this. One, the US is, per person, extremely indiviualistic. And we typically expect other people to be. Many Americans also don't really think its there business to worry about other countries, instead bleiving that tehy should take care of themselves.

Two, the US is, per person, extremly individualistic, and we tend to expect it of other cultures as well. Many Americans think it IS their business to worry about other countries, and want to basically make sure everything conforms to our ethical and moral views.

See any conflict here?

The third problem is that the US government is a government, and is most concerned with its own propagation. So it protects ITS citizens, and values THEIR lives over the lives of non-citizens. So if a bunch of people across the world pay the price for our safety, the government thinks thats a pretty good trade off. Non-nationals don't get to vote in elections. The US government supports human rights when it suits it, and only when it suits it.

	25-01-2002 03:19									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Between full blooded Native Americans and mixed blood, there are a couple million, that is also another good point, how can anyone really tell who is what after all the years of inter-mingling, if that is the right word, I really don't understand the thousands of years of fighting from the Middle East up through the Balkans just because of background, you are telling me everybody can tell by looking that he is a Kurd, muslim, Christian, or whatever and then to partake in genocide against that for a grudge from maybe 2000 years ago, my God what a sad loss of life.

Try to put this on your agenta when you deal with the Turks.

quote: Originally posted by Defiant No never visited Norway, but tell me where they are on the economic or social scale, I think a zero on the number line come to mind, what did they create in the last thousand years that we use, you know, like computers, cars, anything industrias that comes from a Democratic society.

The highest per capita income in the world, the best educational and wealth system in the world, almost zero unemployment and it is very rare to see homeless people in Norway.

quote: Originally posted by faded glory Greasy Turkey? (Mmm.....Greasy Turkey, homer drool)

Greasy? At list we have a national characteristic. Do you?

	25-01-2002 03:21									#87
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quote: walk across america: ghettos, shooting, no medical care, people dying like dogs

hmm, yes we are rather dissapointed with what our cities have turned into. and the way our culture is going i think its only going to get worse, however there are still many areas of america that are grand, and I hope that they will continue to be as long as i live. Because as bad as things can be here, I can't think of anywhere I'd rather live. well, except maybe tahitti.

	25-01-2002 03:25									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant what did they create in the last thousand years that we use, you know, like computers, cars, anything industrias that comes from a Democratic society.

Not much but this is irrelevant. We were talking about Social States..

	25-01-2002 03:27									#89
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 You can't compare the quality of life of the EU with USA . sorry. We are far superior.

Not accoring to official UN stats. For instance, Paris is a crime ridden sewer in comparison to New York City. Let's also not forget the HDI stats.

	25-01-2002 03:29									#90
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Not accoring to official UN stats. For instance, Paris is a crime ridden sewer in comparison to New York City. Let's also not forget the HDI stats.

bwahahahahaha I have walked through Paris plenty of times and I can tell you it's not like that at all


who wrote that review an americanski?