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Latest report...
The Head of the French Olympic team has just told the AP that the French judge was a "fragile person" who had been manipulated...
It just keeps getting better with each report



and what was it the Chinese judge resigned for health reasons heh ok.

Judged sports like boxing, gymnastics, karate well you may get the point is this what you mean peacemaker?

Understanding life and tollerance of life BTW is part of getting a life peacemaker something you may want to try one day?

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With zero evidence to the contrary, yes, I believe that she knew nothing.

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These new revelations are down right disgusting!

Hell, I knew the Oscars were fixed because of " The color purple " but the Olympics?

Sorta turns my stomach


Actually, a lot of the Color Purple fiasco was because at that time Hollywood didn't care for Speilberg - too young, too successful, "he hasn't struggled like the rest of us."

Also, Oprah Winfrey placing that ad in Variety didn't help the movies cause either.

Though racism probably had a bit to do with it too... can it be that this is the first year that 2 African-Americans got nominated for best actor simultaneously? Lord.

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Actually, that's an excellent comparison. The Oscars overwhelmingly go to established, mainstream, pedantic films, directors, and actors. The Olympics, likewise, are judged by a select, conservative (not politically) group of people, who are not known for their love of experiemtnal, innovative, ground breaking work.

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ROTFLMAO


How can you say that with a straight face...

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Ok Canada got screwed it is a fact now what?

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ROTFLMAO


How can you say that with a straight face...


Okay, they probably are, but I was trying to get at a differnt point, which is they tend to be bound to tradition, hate new stuff, etc. That's not necessarily a trait of political conservatism.

BTW, remember, the Candadians lost by more than one point, so even if the French judge had voted different, the Canadians still would have lost.

Remember, skating judging is extremely subjective. Also remember, where the Russians killed the Canadians was in artistic. They lost to them in technical, but aparently that wasn't enough.

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Ermmm...Che, I think I figured out why everyone seems to be disagreeing with you. Did you see the same performances?

The vote was 5-4 in favor of Russia getting gold. How, some quick math will show you that if the French judge was proven to be biased, then it's 5-4 in favor of Canada instead.

Also, the part that everyone's disagreeing with is the TECHNICAL score. ARTISTIC score is measured by PRESENTATION.

How the hell could some judges (France, Russia, etc) give the same technical marks out?
You use the 'speed' argument, but last time I checked there are no radar guns measuring speed.

It goes by "tricks"(bad word but it's late) attempted and how well they were executed. From what I saw, there was no additional tricks the Ruskies did that the Canucks didn't, but the Canadians did so without any errors while the Russians had a few. So how'd some judges give them the same marks?

See this story: http://www.msnbc.com/news/705743.asp

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Okay, they probably are, but I was trying to get at a differnt point, which is they tend to be bound to tradition, hate new stuff, etc. That's not necessarily a trait of political conservatism.


I'll agree that they are locked in tradition, and the only new stuff they like is when somebody turns a triple into a quad for the first time, and succeeds! But I just couldn't pass up on the non political line... I just couldn't

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Update Live from Salt Lake:

Both pairs get a gold medal. French judge suspended because of strong evidence of vote-rigging.

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Thank god. There is hope for this sport yet.

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Now, if they could only do something about boxing.....

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if there is strong evidence against the french judge, then they must have evidence against the other judges too right? and will they then reexamine all the scours for all the pairs?

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Now, if they could only do something about boxing.....



most people don't know how boxing is scored, they just shout "bad decision" when there're told too!

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Now, if they could only do something about boxing.....


If and when they work the kinks out of electronic scoring...

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With zero evidence to the contrary, yes, I believe that she knew nothing.


Now what do you believe

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Wow, your propagandistic machine is truly overwhelming. Congratulations.

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Oh, give it up. The French judge traded her f*cking vote. It's not just Canada whining on this one.

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Wow, your propagandistic machine is truly overwhelming. Congratulations.


Don't you just love it... they get caught, and people still want to deny the truth.

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You all do know that the Ukraine judge on this panel was supened in the past hen he was caught (on tape) trading votes at Nagano.

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It was unfortunate what they had to go through but for Sale and pelletier this will be a big "win" in more ways than one. Now they get the gold they deserved all along and as well, their grace and sportmanship through the whole thing and all the publicity will likely mean some pretty large endoresment deals after the games are over.

They might have corrected this result but one wonders about the broader corruption issues in the sport. In ice dance I have heard that once again the fix is in and in fact, even though the competition is yet to start, the skaters know exactly what the planned placings are.


and vagabound . . . .

"propaganda" ??
No propoganda . . . only truth

and by the way . . . haven't you heard ?? the Cold War is over and you lost

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As it should be!! Way to go CANADA!!!

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File this one under "cover our asses, and let's get the hell out of here."

The whole so-called "sport" is fundamentally flawed. It's like it's a bullet-riddled assault victim, and they just slapped a band-aid on the gaping wound in the guy's tuckus. No way they're going to bother going after the guy with the gun.

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Pelletier response was quite funny he said "well I hope we get the bronze too...then we can have the entire set"

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I don't really understand the fuss. The scores were extremely close. Both couples deserve recognition for doing well and they both got that. A silver medal at the Olympics is nothing to be ashamed of. Besides, it should be taking part which is important - not winning. (Remember the Jamaican bob-sleigh team?)

I also fail to understand why you lot think you know more about ice-skating than the judges do. Don't you think it takes a lot of extertise to know how difficult certain manouvers are and judge how well they were performed?

Give it a rest for goodness sake!

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While the IOC reacted as a bunch of wimps by yielding to the enormous pressure, they actully had little choice, if we try to think about it. The only alternative would be to screw the rest of the Games, just as these five days have been screwed. Thus, what the IOC yielded to was in essence a blackmail from the host of the Games, organized by its media and public.

No wonder that that "fragil" and hysteric woman was so overwhelmed that she had a panic attack and "confessed".

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Get over it. Russia kept their gold, Canada got theirs.

A judge with a sketchy past has been proven to have been biased in a VERY close competition, why are you upset there are two gold medals?



Russians are funny critters.

 
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