12-02-2002 09:23									#1
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Damn Russians.... damn judges.... arrrrgh!

	12-02-2002 09:25									#2
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Edit: Ah, figure skating. Wasn't watching it.

Damn Witherspoon can't skate.

I've actually seen him practicing quite a bit in person, and I've never seen him fall until that one race. They do their training on campus at my university at the oval, so a lot of people were upset today.

Oh well, still got some other races ahead of him...

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	12-02-2002 09:26									#3
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Ireland's still in it.

	12-02-2002 09:39									#4
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While I'm not an "expert" on the sport... THEY WERE SCREWED.

Yet on the other hand... they just displayed some of the best sportsmanship I HAVE EVER SEEN... They are gold winners in my book!

GO CANADA!!!!!!!

	12-02-2002 09:41									#5
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C'est la vie.

	12-02-2002 09:44									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Yet on the other hand... they just displayed some of the best sportsmanship I HAVE EVER SEEN

How's this for sportsmanship?

http://www.counterglow.net/forum/sh...32869#post32869

	12-02-2002 09:46									#7
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse How's this for sportsmanship? http://www.counterglow.net/forum/sh...32869#post32869

ROTFLMAO... maybe I need to check those forums out more...

	12-02-2002 09:56									#8
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and i thought you were talking about skaterz as in skate board type people lol

	12-02-2002 10:15									#9
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It was a joke.Also,there is no way the Chinese pair skated to bronze.They were all over the place.I think the American couple skated better....

Nothing new for Canada and figure skating.Its a big deal for us cuz we don't win a slew of medals,especially gold and when you see 1 couple make errors and one skate clean with the same difficulty...well it sucks.

The poor Russian man was the one to crack after the warm up collision.Our little girl sucked it up and came thru

	12-02-2002 10:47									#10
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I saw the whole thing. I feel badly for the Canadians. The minor difference in difficulty between their routine and that of the Russians was more that made up for by presentation. The crowd went wild over their performance. Not giving them the gold would be as if judges at previous Olympics had ignored the overwhelming response to Olga Korbit or Nadia Cominici.

	12-02-2002 10:55									#11
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I AGREE! that was wrong! i was pissed off.....i don't understand why the decision can't be contested though...

	12-02-2002 17:55									#12
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quote: Originally posted by devilmunchkin I AGREE! that was wrong! i was pissed off.....i don't understand why the decision can't be contested though...

Because to do so would admit that olympic judges aren't infalliable.

	12-02-2002 17:57									#13
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What exactly happened?

	12-02-2002 18:59									#14
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the judges were bad

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quote: Originally posted by Osweld What exactly happened?

The Canadian Pairs team got screwed

Like usual, international skating looks as "fixed" as the WWF.
This is not the first time that you walk away thinking "HUH"

The Russian pair skated well... but in the opinion of the announcers... most people in the stadium... and anybody that actually watched them... they weren't the best.

The Canadian pair (I think the current World Champions) skated flawlessly and with far more style and grace than the Russians.

But the judges awarded first place to the Russians (like they always do). Granted... judging is an opinion... and the margin of victory was closer than a razor's edge... but it seemed obvious to everybody but the judges that the Canadian Team was better.

	12-02-2002 19:06									#16
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Another example of rigged judging. This one ranked up there as one of the most blatant. It takes the luster out of Russian Dominance in the sport.

But we're not experts. We aren't knowledgeable enough to rank the performances in terms of difficulty.

But having said that, the announcers summed it up perfectly as they were walking to the podium.

Not an exact quote but...

I feel sorry for them (referring to the Can. couple)
I feel sorry for the Russians to have to win that way.
It's an embarrassment to our sport.


RAH
At least the crowd showed good sportsmanship during the medal presentation and didn't boo. Even though you could tell that they didn't cheer quite as loud for the Russians.

	12-02-2002 19:09									#17
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This is exactly why figure skating isn't a sport. Any competition that relies entirely on some judges' collective subjective interpretation of "artistry" is NOT a sport. Athletic, yes. But no way is this a sport; no way should this nonsense be in the Olympics.

	12-02-2002 20:32									#18
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I guess we should consider the previous days performance as a factor as well. At the very end of the "short" (compulsory) routine the Canadian pair slipped. The girl was supposed to lean back on the guys right arm, but slipped and slid to the floor. The guy adeptly caught her and softened her fall, but to anyone watching closely it was obvious that she had fallen.

	12-02-2002 20:38									#19
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True, but one could argue that their scores for the first night reflected that, and the position in second place. That should have had no impact on their second night's score. There's a reason why the first night only counts 1/3.

RAH

	12-02-2002 20:49									#20
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Everybody knows figure skating is like this, and has been for years. The Russians would have had to collapse and be unable to finish in order to lose.

	12-02-2002 21:09									#21
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Olympic Skating?



WWF is better

	12-02-2002 23:05									#22
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Olympic Skating? WWF is better

Usually, you're right, but RAW sucked the meat missile last night.

And I wholeheartedly concur that the Canadians got screwed... there's no way the Russians should have gotten even ONE 5.9 for presentation, let alone a whole STRING of them, considering how awkward and disjointed their skate was; and the Canadians should've had at least ONE 6 for that performance. It's the second Olympics in a row the judges have handed the gold to the wrong couple, and even the most casual watcher should start to get suspicious at this point.

	13-02-2002 00:23									#23
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Take a look at these, guys... it's the judges' scorecards from last night.

http://www.sportsline.com/u/olympic.../scorecards.htm

Right off the bat, I point the Finger of Suspicion at the Chinese & Polish judges. Both pairs tied for overall score from each judge (China gave each pair a combined 11.7, Poland 11.6). But, both judges gave the Canadians higher technical marks, and made up the difference for the Russians in presentation. Again, as I said, the judges' marks for the Russians' presentation were ridiculously high (because their performance was awkward and disjointed) and both the Chinese and Polish judges ranked the Russians higher overall based on that suspect presentation.

Thoughts.

	13-02-2002 00:31									#24
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I think it's obvious to any who saw it the Canucks were better.

But I'm told that the Cadanian guy is an arrogant pr1ck with a giant ego in RL (By a guy who practised with him, so who knows if it really true), so, that context, I'm glad he lost, but the gal seemed like a gamer, especially after taking that hit in practice.

	13-02-2002 00:43									#25
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Looking at the scores in details tell me two things.

1. That the judges are biased base on the lineup of countries.

2. It's the French's fault

I thought the French liked the Canadians


RAH

	13-02-2002 01:06									#26
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We all know who the real winners are.


History will remenber this one as " The day the Canadians were screwed".

	13-02-2002 01:29									#27
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4 out of the 5 judges who voted against the canadians were former members of the soviet union

	13-02-2002 01:37									#28
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Which 2 of France, China and Poland were part of the USSR

	13-02-2002 01:40									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Garth Vader Which 2 of France, China and Poland were part of the USSR

Thank you Garth... I had the same question

	13-02-2002 01:55									#30
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sorry..i meant communist. ..excluding france.