15-02-2002 09:19									#1
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This is a thread where evolutionists can post questions for creationists. We will see how many of them reply with satisfactory answers.

Here's a good one: why do humans have the appendix (vermiform appendix)?

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	15-02-2002 09:20									#2
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Nice troll. Haven't seen this done before.

	15-02-2002 09:22									#3
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quote: Here's a good one: why do humans have the appendix (vermiform appendix)?

Damned if I know

	15-02-2002 09:22									#4
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This can't be a troll (flame-bait) If I actually want some honest answers, such as "I don't know."

	15-02-2002 09:24									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Here's a good one: why do humans have the appendix (vermiform appendix)?

Because......


and start with that evolutionary "It used to be a second ass" stuff.


(nice troll btw)

	15-02-2002 09:28									#6
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I'm not an creationist, but I am a Christian. I'll give it a shot.

Humans have an apendix (as well as tonsils) because it made eating easier. When Eve ate the apple, and Adam as well, God punished them by making the two not work, so that they would suffer internally as well as externally for eating the Forbidden Fruit.

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Because once upon a time there where Trolls and Humans, with trolls eating grass. The troll's decided they'ed had enough of the persecution by the humans, and decided to act like them, and kill them off. Therefore we are all Troll's and humans don't have an appendix. We just think we are humans.

	15-02-2002 09:37									#8
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quote: Humans have an apendix (as well as tonsils) because it made eating easier. When Eve ate the apple, and Adam as well, God punished them by making the two not work, so that they would suffer internally as well as externally for eating the Forbidden Fruit.

Did you make this up, or this part of actual Judeo-Christian-Islamic mythology?

What about the coccyx or wisdom teeth?

	15-02-2002 09:43									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Did you make this up, or this part of actual Judeo-Christian-Islamic mythology? What about the coccyx or wisdom teeth?

Please, Ramo, you should know better than that. It's pretty obvious that EF is pulling theology out of his... verniform appendix.

	15-02-2002 09:44									#10
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Of course he made it up A creationist would have attempted to completely evade the question.

Just look at FG

	15-02-2002 09:45									#11
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How about nails? Or nipples on men. Or fossils.

	15-02-2002 09:46									#12
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Oh, I made it up...there is actually nothing in the Bible (that I have found) to explain these.

However, that seems to be the logical (note: logical by creationist standards) explainations.

Oh, also, to answer more questions:

Dino's could have existed because, though God made the world in 7 days, it never said how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden.

Pangea was during the day that God made the land, then seperated it to create the continents.

Also, Adam and Eve had far more children then just Caine and Abel. I like to use Iceland as an example for a perfectly homogeneous population with few if any defects. Its not impossible (especially if God has a hand in it) to not have defects even though there is incest.

Plus, it was not the animals who were evil, but the people. The reason God had Noah bring two of each animal aboard was not to save the good ones, but to prevent species extinction, due to the flood. There's no such thing as an "evil fish." Well, at least not due to the flood.

	15-02-2002 09:49									#13
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Well, it's somewhat plausible that it says in the OT that God gave Adam and Eve a pestilence or somesuch to prevent them from eating as well.

	15-02-2002 09:50									#14
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Hell, the only thing I wanna know is how did the fossils get there. Either

a. The Bible is wrong and modern evolutionary theories are right (as far as our current understanding goes, though there is still plenty to learn.)

b. The Bible is right and God is a prime bastard for purposely deceiving his creations by planting false evidence that suggests a history that never happened.

Being a believer in God, I gotta go with A. If the answer is B, well, then, screw him.

	15-02-2002 09:54									#15
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...Read what I said...

quote: Dino's could have existed because, though God made the world in 7 days, it never said how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden.

It never says anything about length of time. Therefore, the dinosaurs and other such animals had pleanty of time to die.

	15-02-2002 09:56									#16
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Ahhhh. So they lived in the Garden for 60+ million years. After that, humanity started measuring their lifespans in decades. Makes perfect sense to me.

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Oh, and John, there is another option.

Think of God (I can't believe I'm saying this) as Microsoft. We're version whatever of His plan. Evolution is His way of bringing out new versions, updating, and making Patches. I personally come from the school of thought that says God is responsible for Evolution. (And there is even a school of thought which says that God is the product of evolution.)

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Chardin?

	15-02-2002 09:59									#19
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Ahhhh. So they lived in the Garden for 60+ million years. After that, humanity started measuring their lifespans in decades. Makes perfect sense to me.

'Scuse? Know how long Noah, Abraham, and Moses lived? In the Garden, Adam and Eve were in paradise. No disease, no pestilence, not even heartburn. They were immortal. God created Adam as His prime "trophy", and Eve as Adam's companion. When they ate the Forbidden Fruit, God punished them by making them susceptible to all of these, and threw them out of the Garden, for they had disobeyed. If you think about it in a religious sense, it DOES make sense.

	15-02-2002 10:00									#20
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*sigh*

The sad thing is that people continue to be baited by ridiculous threads.

	15-02-2002 10:02									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Kirnwaffen *sigh* The sad thing is that people continue to be baited by ridiculous threads.

I made this thread less troll-like and gave it a purpose.

Oh, and yes John, Chardin, or at least Chardin-like.

	15-02-2002 10:02									#22
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well according to the Bible

before the flood man measured his days in 100s of years (like 900)

and of course, before sin there was no death of mankind at all (according to the Bible)

then after the flood, lifespan quickly decreased so that the ancient were 80 (and the really famously long lived were 120)

(note the loss of lifespan is linked by some scholars to generations away from the Tree/ the effects of sin)

so according to the Bible, living 60+ million years pre eating of the fruit is no trouble at all

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	15-02-2002 10:03									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller Jon Miller (can't beleive that I am the only one who knows this stuff)

Wanna try that again?

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quote: In the Garden, Adam and Eve were in paradise. No disease, no pestilence, not even heartburn.

Why didn't Adam and Eve become snacks for the velociraptors roaming around the Garden?

	15-02-2002 10:07									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Why didn't Adam and Eve become snacks for the velociraptors roaming around the Garden?

God didn't put anything in the Garden that would *physically* harm them. All animals in the Garden were also tame.

And remember, the Serpent talked, and was in actuality Lucifer.

Take THAT, sarcasm!

	15-02-2002 10:08									#26
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Actually, Jon, I knew that stuff too.

EF, I can't think "religiously." I don't know how to describe my thoughts ("rational arrogance" comes to mind - after all, I always think I'm right and make perfect sense. ), but "religiously" is not one of them.

	15-02-2002 10:09									#27
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Wanna try that again?

I started before you posted

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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Actually, Jon, I knew that stuff too. EF, I can't think "religiously." I don't know how to describe my thoughts ("rational arrogance" comes to mind - after all, I always think I'm right and make perfect sense. ), but "religiously" is not one of them.

See, I guess my understanding is that Man in the garden is the same state as Man in heaven will be (I think that this is an obvious conclusion (but not the only possible) from the Bible).

Therefore, Man would not die in the Garden.

So, if you think that Man would die pre sin, I would consider that a much bigger issue then any creationism.

BTW, Creationism does not maintain that God created the Universe at any recent time.

Jon Miller

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If there are millions of stars and millions of inhabited planets and God had to die a horrible death on each of them to save the sentient beings that would border on fetish. It would make God a very weird character indeed.

	15-02-2002 10:19									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller See, I guess my understanding is that Man in the garden is the same state as Man in heaven will be (I think that this is an obvious conclusion (but not the only possible) from the Bible). Therefore, Man would not die in the Garden. So, if you think that Man would die pre sin, I would consider that a much bigger issue then any creationism. BTW, Creationism does not maintain that God created the Universe at any recent time. Jon Miller

Well, damn. My dog will die pre-sin. Babies die pre-sin. I don't think it takes a radical leap of faith or logic to think that people can die before they sin.