16-02-2002 02:12									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune They full well know that they should remove those 5.000 settlers from Gaza; they should never have settled there.

They shouldn't have been kicked out in 1947.
You know that jews were similarly ethnically cleansed out of their homes in areas which after the 49' cease fire agreement belonged to the arabs.

quote: How can Israel expect peace, if they are not even willing to hand over to the Palestinians that tiny strip of territory? Which does belong to Egypt in the first place, or am I mistaken?

How can the arabs expect peace, if in 1947 they weren't even willing to hand over to the Israelis, a tiny strip of territory, in which the Israelis were already a majority?

	16-02-2002 02:14									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Do you have to ask?

This means I don't have to ask you whether you're a racist or not.

It's very morally difficult when people die, even combatants. And though a local one may be happy for the removal of a threat on him, one has to feel saddenned due to the pain of his family and friends, and that man's tragedy.

The fact that people around the world, can sit in thier chair and have pleasure out of seeing a specific ethnicity / religion die and gloat about it, is very saddenning.

	16-02-2002 02:20									#33
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Wow...that was a big bomb. I wonder who made it for the palestinians?

One of the "Karin-A" 's that slipped our hands.

Karin-A had something like 3 tons of high quality explosives.

quote: Question: Will this prevent Israeli incursions (or make them think twice)?

It wasn't an incursion.
No, it will make us use more tanks and shoot more ahead of us or something.

	16-02-2002 04:06									#34
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quote: Also Russians are generally easier to produce and maintain.

That's good, since you would need more crews to go with those tanks...

	16-02-2002 04:39									#35
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"Concerning the SF, yes. They get plenty of training in Afghanistan. But your pilots dont do stuff more complicated than our pilots. Dropping bombs on structures is not that hard. "

We do more then drop bombs on structures, we also have dealt with strong enemy anti-aircraft capabalites(In Serbia they had a pretty good Russian Air-Defense system, and in Afghanistan I think the Taliban still had some functional Stingers)



"You never fought the Taliban."

We never went after them full-scale, but our SF units also helped to fight Taliban mujahadieen, who had all the fighting experience in the world.

	16-02-2002 05:41									#36
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk That's good, since you would need more crews to go with those tanks...

RFLMA

	16-02-2002 05:53									#37
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I wonder why the Palestinians donīt use land mines a lot in their territory. Thatīs what Iīd do if I were them.

Would sure make Israelis think twice about incursion.

	16-02-2002 06:02									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune I wonder why the Palestinians donīt use land mines a lot in their territory. Thatīs what Iīd do if I were them. Would sure make Israelis think twice about incursion.

Where would you put them that Palestinians wouldn't also die?

	16-02-2002 06:10									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Goingonit Where would you put them that Palestinians wouldn't also die?

A skilled tactician should be able to come up with a few solutions.

	16-02-2002 06:15									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune A skilled tactician should be able to come up with a few solutions.

They already have missiles that can reach deep into Isreali territory. Why would they need to mine thier own territory?

	16-02-2002 06:20									#41
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc They already have missiles that can reach deep into Isreali territory. Why would they need to mine thier own territory?

Because mines, unlike missiles, are defensive in kind.

If Israelis invade Palestinian territory, run on a mine and suffer casualties, they wonīt be able to turn it to their advantage propagandistically (unlike 'unprovoked' missile attacks).

	16-02-2002 06:24									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune Because mines, unlike missiles, are defensive in kind. If Israelis invade Palestinian territory, run on a mine and suffer casualties, they wonīt be able to turn it to their advantage propagandistically (unlike 'unprovoked' missile attacks).

Um yes they would, because it would be clear that the Israelis are fighting a Palestinian army, not a popular uprising.

	16-02-2002 06:25									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune Because mines, unlike missiles, are defensive in kind.

If you can point out just one instance of somebody making extencive use of landmines in civilian areas they claim to care about, I'll concede the possible military utility of such an action.

	16-02-2002 06:29									#44
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc If you can point out just one instance of somebody making extencive use of landmines in civilian areas they claim to care about, I'll concede the possible military utility of such an action.

By 'extensive' I didnīt mean they should use thousands; misunderstanding may be my mistake.

But what about regularly setting a few clever traps on expected Israeli paths of advance?

	16-02-2002 06:30									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune By 'extensive' I didnīt mean they should use thousands; misunderstanding may be my mistake. But what about regularly setting a few clever traps on expected Israeli paths of advance?

They also happen to be major roads of Palestinian communities.

Your urge to kill Israelis is sickening.

	16-02-2002 06:35									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Goingonit Your urge to kill Israelis is sickening.

Your urge to keep Palestinian victims from defending themselves is sickening.

	16-02-2002 06:36									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune Your urge to keep Palestinian victims from defending themselves is sickening.

Your use of smilies is disturbing.

	16-02-2002 06:43									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Goingonit Your use of smilies is disturbing.

In serious arguments (like with Dino) I use them sparingly. But with you...

	16-02-2002 06:45									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune By 'extensive' I didnīt mean they should use thousands; misunderstanding may be my mistake.

Sorry. That was the only way I could fathom that such an action could have any use in turning back an Isreali incursion.

quote: But what about regularly setting a few clever traps on expected Israeli paths of advance?

I still see two problems with this approach.

1) Isreal has gunships.
2) How would you deal with the problem that Isreal's usual points of access are mainly public roads? Unintended Palestinian casualties could hurt Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc. in recruiting.

	16-02-2002 07:01									#50
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Sorry. That was the only way I could fathom that such an action could have any use in turning back an Isreali incursion.

I see. I didnīt mean to turn them back entirely; just to up the price for the incursion. I think the basic point in guerilla warfare is making the war costly for the attacker.

quote: I still see two problems with this approach. 1) Isreal has gunships.

Sure; I didnīt mean I have the universal tactical solution for Arafat. But you canīt take ground with gunships. Hampering Israeli ground troops would at least help.

quote: 2) How would you deal with the problem that Isreal's usual points of access are mainly public roads? Unintended Palestinian casualties could hurt Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc. in recruiting. .

How about 'danger' signs? You will say that beats the purpose. Not really. Such danger signs would be helpful in complicating Israeli operations even where there are no actual mines.

My idea is really simply about making things more complicated for Sharon. I think that the Palestinians are not yet creative enough in that department. They should create more friction for their opponents.

	16-02-2002 07:02									#51
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I should say that I am far from pleased by more violence from either side. My earlier comment was sarcastic.

	16-02-2002 07:06									#52
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I see, AH. But if the Palestinians are not winning, they will never get a decent deal. When Rabin proposed one, a Zionist murdered him.

	16-02-2002 07:10									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune I see, AH. But if the Palestinians are not winning, they will never get a decent deal. When Rabin proposed one, a Zionist murdered him.

When will you realize that

a) it is impossible for the Palestinians to win militarily, and
b) they don't want a deal, they want no more Israel.

	16-02-2002 07:15									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Goingonit When will you realize that a) it is impossible for the Palestinians to win militarily,

Never say impossible.

quote: and b) they don't want a deal, they want no more Israel.

If they didnīt want Rabinīs deal, why did he need to be killed by an Israeli?

	16-02-2002 07:46									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune Never say impossible. If they didnīt want Rabinīs deal, why did he need to be killed by an Israeli?

The Israeli also didn't want Rabin's deal.
And I do say impossible. Because as soon as they start winning, public opinion will switch.

	16-02-2002 07:59									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Goingonit The Israeli also didn't want Rabin's deal.

Zionists sure didnīt want Rabinīs deal. They expressed that in their usual unmisunderstandable way by murdering him.

	16-02-2002 08:00									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune Zionists sure didnīt want Rabinīs deal. They expressed that in their usual unmisunderstandable way by murdering him.

Zionist singular.

	16-02-2002 08:06									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Goingonit Zionist singular.

Letīs say the outcry among Zionists was limited.

	16-02-2002 08:08									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune Letīs say the outcry among Zionists was limited.

to one person.

	16-02-2002 08:13									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Goingonit to one person.

I meant the outcry about Rabinīs murder. Perhaps more than one person in Israel deplored the act, but seemingly not too many.