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Eli
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Jul 2000
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The whole west-european left is racist.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
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Originally posted by Kamrat X
Did I say "support"? I said "respected", thatīs not the same. And thereīs a lot of intellectuals that respects and supports Chomsky. For instance: |
And I said support for a reason 
Since he's a loner and no one really likes him 
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Göran Greider, editor-in-chief of the social-democratic newspaper Dala-Demokraten
Jan Guillou, writer/journalist
Bono, artist
John Pilger, journalist |
That Greider guy, he's a leftist. I want to see non-leftists who respect chomsky.
I'll try to read it tommorow.
Too much physics assignments for one day.
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And, Siro, I donīt really give a **** if you think Iīm a racist, my views are not uncommon in the swedish leftist enviroment. |
Too bad for them.
You have made it your mission from day one to be as brute about zionists as you could, and things you say do suggest you're a racist. And I made clear why each time.
Leftist doesn't mean you're not a racist. It just gives different approach.
I'm very sure that most people while may share some of your views, don't share your reasoning since it is often unfounded and racist.
You make generalizations and rely on many facts out of thin air about Israel.
I don't recall calling Ramo, or Che or Imran racist, and I've argued with them before you thought of your nickname. So don't go yelling you're called racist because you dare say things I don't like to hear.
I call you racist because that's the way you behave. Whether you are what your internet persona suggests is none of my problems, but yours.
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Originally posted by Kamrat X
Who was it that deliberately provoked the palestinians and hence started the new intifada by intruding in the mosque-area on the Temple-mountain on April 28th 2000? |
Thats just an excuse and oversimplification. How about some media criticism?
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
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Originally posted by Kamrat X
Who was it that deliberately provoked the palestinians and hence started the new intifada by intruding in the mosque-area on the Temple-mountain on April 28th 2000? |
Who was it that deliberately provoked the palestinians to start an intifada, using sharon's visit as a pre-text?
I can't believe how gullible you are.
Later they said they started the intifada as a result of no solution... (even though they were talking to barak).
In any case, this is most obviously a pre-text, as violence preceded sharons' visit, and several pipe bombs were already planted on Israeli roads in advance.
Furthermore, the temple mountain area is sacred to three religions and Israel, unlike previous ruler jordan, allows every person to access the worship area, even if it's ariel sharon.
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Text of Letter Sent by Likud Leader Ariel Sharon to US Sec'y of State Madalyn Albright
MK Ariel Sharon
Her Excellency Mrs. Madelaine Allbright Secretary of State The State Dept. Washington DC
Monday October 2, 20000
Dear Secretarv Allbright:
I deeply regret, and I find it totally unacceptable that your spokesman was quick to make a false statement that my visit to The Temple Mount "may have caused tension," insinuating that it ignited the riots and disturbances in Jerusalem that spread to Judea, Samaria and Gaza and later, to Israel itself.
I find it most regrettable and disturbing that your spokesman has been swayed by slanderous propaganda on the part of the Palestinian leaders and media, intended to put pressure on Israel and the US to make additional concessions in the negotiations, under threat of violence if their demands are not met.
I have expressed my concern and regret at the widespread violence and the senseless loss of lives and injuries on both sides. But it must be clearly understood that it wasn't my visit to The Temple Mount the holiest site for Jews and under full Israeli sovereignty - that ignited the current outbreak of violence.
Israel's Security Establishment has publicly presented its conclusions that the violent riots and armed confrontations, are part of a premeditated and organized campaign initiated by the Palestinian Authority (P.A.). This campaign began over ten days ago in the Netzarim area in Gaza, starting with stone throwing and escalating to the use of firearms and explosives against Israeli soldiers and civilians travelling there,
These riots have spread out through the deliberate incitement (prior to the visit) by the 'Tanzim' (the armed militia of Chairman Arafat's Fatah organization). Last Friday Arafat instructed the 'Tanzim' to escalate the riots. Moreover, Palestinian Security Chiefs have been directly involved in inciting the violence and in ordering Palestinian Police to open fire on Israeli soldiers, Police and civilians.
Arab Members of the Knesset (MKs) have contributed to and joined this violent campaign by repeated incitement calling Arab Israelis as well as Palestinians to resort to violence prior, during and after my visit to The Temple Mount.
This is not the first time I'm visiting The Temple Mount. The Inspector General of the Police has explained that the large Forces which the Police deployed to safeguard the visit, were required due to Palestinian threats prior to the visit to resort to large scale violence in order to take control of the Western Wall area below The Temple Mount.
I wish to emphasize, Mrs. Secretary, that Prime Minister Barak has already stated very clearly that every Israeli citizen, be it Arab or Jew, has a right to visit any place which is under Israeli sovereignty.
The united city of Jerusalem, which you are all very familiar with, as well as The Temple Mount, are under full Israeli sovereignty. Neither I, nor any Israeli citizen need to seek permission from the PA or from any foreign entity to visit there or any other site which is sovereign territory of the State of Israel.
As for myself, I wish to assure you that despite the recent violent events I remain fully committed to achieving peace with all our Arab neighbors including the Palestinians.
I believe we can reach peace, but it must be durable and real peace based first and foremost on complete negation of violence. Furthermore, it requires Arab Palestinian recognition and acceptance of the historical inherent rights that Jews have on their land in their undivided Capital Jerusalem and particularly sovereign rights and free access to our most sacred site on The Temple Mount. This right is granted and has only been safeguarded to every Israeli citizen as well as visitors, regardless of race, creed or religion since Israel united the city in 1967.
Sincerely Yours. Ariel Sharon, Chairman Likud Party |
Here.
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Who was it that ordered 2000 policemen and sharpshooters to surround the mosque-area and start shooting in to the crowd thereby killing 4 palestinians and injure 220 others on April 29th 2000? |
I assume you mean some other month since nothing happenned on April.
But let me ask you this - who was it that ordered thousands of palestinian protesters to gather and begin rioting? Arafat!
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Who was it that ordered the assasination of Abu Ali Mustafa in august 2001? And thereby buried the last remnants of the Oslo treaty? |
LOL
Now you prove even more how you lack any real knowledge of the area.
If you consider Mustafa to be a symbol of the Oslo treaty, things are sad.
He was the leader of the PFLP.
To quote the guardian:
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Lawrence Joffe
Tuesday August 28, 2001
The Guardian
Two rockets fired from a helicopter yesterday morning blew apart the Palestinian leader, Abu Ali Mustafa, as he sat at his desk in Ramallah, just feet away from Yasser Arafat's own offices. At a stroke, Israel had eliminated one of its most dogged foes.
Abu Ali Mustafa (nom du guerre of Mustafa Zibri), who was 63, was head of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP). He was the most senior PLO casualty of the 11-month old Al Aqsa intifada. |
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The PFLP saw the elimination of Israel as a means towards the ultimate goal, of ridding the Middle East of dictators who kow-towed to Western capitalism. Under the rule of Habash, they fused together a heady brew of Maoism and Arab nationalism. Soon the group gained international notoriety for hijackings and terrorist attacks. |
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His initial arrival in Jericho prompted a mixed reception, with well-wishers matched by militants demanding that he be boycotted for accepting Israel's legitimacy. It was a charge Mustafa vehemently rejected. In repeated interviews, he stressed that Israel was an "illegitimate entity", and vowed to create a single, "democratic Palestine from the sea (Mediterranean) to the river (Jordan)". He also acknowledged to the Al Ahram paper that the return of four million refugees - a point he insisted Arafat make at the Camp David II talks in 2000 - would presage the disappearance of Israel. |
This is a man who you chose to defend?
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
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Wierd.
I read in an english source that most major american book stores do not carry his books.
Amazon could be different because it's aims are world wide, and not the american public.
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And I agree with Kamrat, in the sense that I infinetly respect Arafat more than Sharon. |
Sharon : indirectly responsible for sabra & shatilla, since the brigade performing the massacare act on it's own. while there was bad judgement, the comitte failed to find any proof of premeditated intention.
Arafat : directly responsible for dozens of terracts, from highjacking, to kidnapping, to small scale sabra and shattilas in Israeli kibutzes. Declared numerously that his goal is to wipe out israel and jews.
I just figured something.
You're very very biased.
Let's assume your position and claim that Sharon is a war criminal, since he is reponsible for the deeds of the christian phalanges, whom he ordered to control grounds.
According to that logic, Arafat is in the same way directly responsible for the dosens of terracts since his becoming leader of the PA, given that he has failed/refused to arrest terrorists, and every couple of months released already jailed terrorists from their cells.
Not only that, but even palestinian sources admit that they not only freed the terrorists, but also supplied them with arms.
Further more, the encitement, on the government TV, for which he is responsible, is to blame for starting the violent conflict.
Using your logic, Arafat is a war criminal, directly responsible of sabotaging Israeli security and the peace process.
And you choose to ignore that and in a bigotted way blame sharon.
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18-02-2002 00:46
Of course on leftists support Chomsky, only leftists are capable of being sensible! Once we allow the opinions of the right to count in any way whatsoever, society has lost it. 
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