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Lazarus and the Gimp is offline Lazarus and the Gimp
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Sorry Kaak, but that's not good enough. You've said you are better than those who are criticising you. Please provide names and details of their transgressions as opposed to your own.

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As for me being such a terrible person, I would venture to say that overall, I do fewer BAD things than any of those who are chastizing me. So, you in turn are hypocrits.


We aren't the ones celebrating bigotry.

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sorry bugs, but the PI i've got following you took the weekend off. Seriously. You know who you are and what you do. I don't have to read your mind and commit it to type.

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Incidentally, what do you do at those frat parties? Sip milky tea and mildly criticise Liberace?

If it's needed, I can provide detailed instructions on what the dangly items between your legs can be used for.

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sorry bugs, but the PI i've got following you took the weekend off. Seriously. You know who you are and what you do. I don't have to read your mind and commit it to type.


Balls, my boy. You accused me of hypocrisy on the grounds that I do far worse things than you.

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I'd just like to know what real life experience lets Mr. Dilettante here sit in lofty judgement of his intellectual superiors?

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As for me being such a terrible person, I would venture to say that overall, I do fewer BAD things than any of those who are chastizing me. So, you in turn are hypocrits.

you should learn to back up such statements.

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Kaak, you're digging yourself a hole here, dude. And if you wanted to piss people off, you could have at least gone down to your local mall and attempted to play the bagpipes instead of starting a thread everyone is going to attack you over.

Asher is offline Asher
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Drinking impairs judgement. If people only had a single drink, it would be one thing. That, however is not the case. Drinking and driving is the leading killer in the US.

Let's see.
I've never killed anyone while drunk.
I never drink and drive.

Drinking is fine as long as you can still have some kind of logical thought. It's also fine when you plan ahead and select designated drivers and call taxis and the like.

Basically, it's fine as long as you're not stupid. Same with driving. Driving is bad because of all the accidents that happen, etc.

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Drugs are bad for a variety of reasons, if you think otherwise, you are a fool.

I'll remind the hospital you said that if you ever need morphine.

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Smoking does hurt others, and is quite bothersome.

Sure, I agree there. That's why I don't like smoking. Smoking is BadTM.

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A million things can fall in to that category as it is quite broad. I do very few things that do. Can you say the same, honestly?

You have premarital sex. Not only are you at risk for STDs, you can impregnate someone without the bond of marriage. You have sinned, and you will join me in hell for that.

I don't do anything bad, because I don't need to rely on other's morals to tell me what I should or should not do. I know it's wrong to kill someone, I know it's wrong to drink and drive, I know it's wrong to put down a minority and "dislike" them because they're different. Evidently your brain hasn't evolved as such, and you've still got the old fashioned style of thinking where you need a church to define your morals and brainwash you into thinking anyone who disagrees with the church is wrong and will "go to hell".

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gay men are men who like men.

nothing wrong with that and if they want their spirits lifted I recommend they read "Symposium" by Plato.

The thing that sometimes bothers me a bit is when they say it over and over again. I'm GAY, I'm GAY GAY GAY GAY! Hey good for you but why cry it all over town?

I can only imagine that's because being gay is a large part of who they are.

But OTOH being straight is a larg epart of who we are too so you can't point the finger.

And since our society is 90% or so straight maybe that's why they say it over and over again.

In any case gay people seem to have done a lot more of soul searvhing than the rest pf us.

That's not necessairily good though.

So in the end all it counts is individual personality and values.

If you're a SOB then that's what you are, gay or straight no difference. If you are an ok guy the same.

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I think that last line covers it pretty well.

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The thing that sometimes bothers me a bit is when they say it over and over again. I'm GAY, I'm GAY GAY GAY GAY! Hey good for you but why cry it all over town?

To be honest it bothers me too, that's why I'd never do it.

But I can't blame them: It's impossible to get a date unless you really advertise it. A lot of the time people would have no idea. In today's society you can assume someone is straight, and ask them out. If you assume a guy is gay, and ask him out, then you can get some pretty bad responses.

Which is why I'm always single these days...

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So in the end all it counts is individual personality and values.

If you're a SOB then that's what you are, gay or straight no difference. If you are an ok guy the same.

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When you have friends and family, you want to be honest with them about who you are usually.

The coming out process is a psychological process that fulfills the need for a gay man, lesbian, or bisexual to be honest with his/her family and friends.

There is also an activist function for socially coming out at work and other places. It means we will no longer suppress ourselves, or allow the society to ignore the issues that are so important for us to deal with.

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Sorry! (DP)

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are we going to have to get into a debate over what is "bad" and what isn't???

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As for me being such a terrible person, I would venture to say that overall, I do fewer BAD things than any of those who are chastizing me. So, you in turn are hypocrits.



You're wrong, Kaak, I do even fewer bad things then you do and I'm not a bigot!

Asher is offline Asher
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It's time for some Michael Jackson.

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To be honest it bothers me too, that's why I'd never do it.

But I can't blame them: It's impossible to get a date unless you really advertise it. A lot of the time people would have no idea. In today's society you can assume someone is straight, and ask them out. If you assume a guy is gay, and ask him out, then you can get some pretty bad responses.


Oh, this probably explains why gay men never come up to me and say "I'M GAY, I'M GAY. I'M GAY, I'M GAY." There must be something about me that turns them off. I think they're worried that there might be a "Missle Gap" between us.

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are we going to have to get into a debate over what is "bad" and what isn't???



Knowing this forum, yes.

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When you have friends and family, you want to be honest with them about who you are usually.

The coming out process is a psychological process that fulfills the need for a gay man, lesbian, or bisexual to be honest with his/her family and friends.

There is also an activist function for socially coming out at work and other places. It means we will no longer suppress ourselves, or allow the society to ignore the issues that are so important for us to deal with.


Just in case people missed this.

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The key war was "plain". Don't soil the name of Christianity by attaching your bigotry to it. And again, you are by no means in a better moral position then the homosexuals-- premarital sex is as bad as gay sex. And you can't call people here hypocrites for discussing your bigotry, because you invited discussion to it by starting a thread about it.

If you want to be a good Christian, you will work against your bigotry.

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Guys, I....Ihave to admit it. I'm a Bigot too.

Yes, I'm a God -fearing Man, but I just think that...Being French is wrong.



Sorry. I'm just offended by the very existance of French speakers.

Except for the Cajuns, their our Frenchies. Frenchies with Hot Sauce! "I gar-run-tee!"


Sorry KrazyHorse, and Zobe(?). I am offended by your very existance. As such, I shall post it on this message board.
















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I'd just like to know what real life experience lets Mr. Dilettante here sit in lofty judgement of his intellectual superiors


Sneak: I don't know what you consider intellectual superiority, but if you're talking about IQ, their are few on this board who can compare.

You are making ad hominem comments because you are biased, and strongly disagree with my opinions.

MrFun, no need to post it again, everyone saw it the first time and didn't think it was funny.

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premarital sex is as bad as gay sex.


Umm..1. I disagree, even if you want to pretend all sins are equal, premarital sex is 1 sin. gay sex is two (premarital, and the fact that it is homosexual...)

Stranglove: i'm sorry you felt like i was addressing you. I didn't realize you were perfect. How old are you again?

Asher, kudos for being able to hold your alchohol. I wish everyone were so self controlled...

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Incidentally, what do you do at those frat parties? Sip milky tea and mildly criticise Liberace?


Nah, it's usually gatoraide or apple juice. parties are also good for socializing and dancing, in case you didn't know.

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Perhaps Kaak isn't very "enlightened" or "open minded" but he's honest to himself and others, and feels no obligation to conform to popular views (you MUST love everyone etc.)

While I don't hate any specific group of individuals, i think that disliking people is ok, while you don't actively do something about it.

From what I get he isn't actually doing anything to hurt gays nor will he ever do, as he tries to steer his life away from gay people.

A scenraio which could result in discrimination is if, say, he has to hire a homosexual or work with one, or serve one or what ever. I hope Kaak will be able to outgrow his personal dislike and treat them just like anyone else, while, perhaps choosing not to socialise with them. That would be acceptable. If he does discriminate against them, it would be bad.

I can honestly say that I do not descriminate against any group of individuals. While I may personally dislike a person and choose not to spend time with them, I treat them just as fairly and honestly as I treat others and even my friends.

That has also sometimes brought along some conflicts, when friends expected to have special treatment from me, when I was in position of power (floating voice / manager).

But proudly I say, I keep treating people quite fairly and irrelevant to my personal liking or disliking with them.

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Sneak: I don't know what you consider intellectual superiority, but if you're talking about IQ, their are few on this board who can compare.

Here we go with IQ bullshit.
What kind of IQ test did you take?
How long did it take you?
How old were you?

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Nah, it's usually gatoraide or apple juice. parties are also good for socializing and dancing, in case you didn't know.

As you can see, Baylor knows how to par-tay!

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Arrrghhh! Must ... resist ... urge ... to ... start ... another ... deabate ... on ... this ... subject

I feel much better now. Whew.

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While I don't hate any specific group of individuals, i think that disliking people is ok, while you don't actively do something about it.

Disliking people is okay, I don't like everyone myself.
But I don't make that judgement based upon their sexuality, color, religion, etc.
I get to know people for who they are as people, and then decide if I like them or not.

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From what I get he isn't actually doing anything to hurt gays nor will he ever do, as he tries to steer his life away from gay people.

Once he leaves his sheltered preschool-esque life at Baylor and steps into the real world, he'll have to work with gay people. And if he lives this sheltered life always thinking that gays are deviant people who he doesn't like by default, he's going to end up hurting people whether he means to or not.

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I can honestly say that I do not descriminate against any group of individuals. While I may personally dislike a person and choose not to spend time with them, I treat them just as fairly and honestly as I treat others and even my friends.

That has also sometimes brought along some conflicts, when friends expected to have special treatment from me, when I was in position of power (floating voice / manager).

But proudly I say, I keep treating people quite fairly and irrelevant to my personal liking or disliking with them.

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Asher that's why i didn't post a score. The last formal test was two years ago, and they said i was in the top .05% of the population.

As for partying, I'm generally the only person at most of our parties who isn't quite intoxicated Guess who get's to be the DD? Trust me, we know "how to party" and more specifically, I can have a great time without drinking

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As you can see, Baylor knows how to par-tay!



Or is that a par-thei?

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Asher that's why i didn't post a score. The last formal test was two years ago, and they said i was in the top .05% of the population.

You didn't answer the question.
Everybody says they took the IQ test, everybody says they're above average.

People who really took the IQ test would easily be able to answer what type of test it was (the formal name), and how long it took you.

 
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