24-02-2002 16:09									#121
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's okay pak, I'm a pretty boy (as some would call it), and i know it. girls love it tho!

	24-02-2002 16:13									#122
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Are you proud that you are a Christian who hates people you have never met?

	24-02-2002 16:15									#123
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I think it had something to do with that Tarzan (or what was it) outfit that you were wearing. That was damn funny

BTW I like honesty and frankness and if that's the way you feel about homosexuals then that's that.

I would only say this: maybe you met only 2 or 3 that got to your nerves and you have formed a picture for all homosexuals based on them?

I don't know, it's just a thought.

	24-02-2002 16:21									#124
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thanks pak, i think that too many people on here aren't honest with themselves let alone others. As far as not liking them, it is kind of the defining characteristic of being gay (the act of gay sex) that sickens me, that is why i harbor disdain. Lesbians don't really bother me one way or the other, I am completely indifferent (although i do think it is a waste that there are a lot of HOT lesbians....)

quote: Are you proud that you are a Christian who hates people you have never met?

once again, don't put words in my mouth, i never used the word hate.

	24-02-2002 16:22									#125
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and as far as the outfit, it was a party with a jungle theme. Hot girls running around in barely there animal print clothes, me running around in a loin cloth...it was a good night

	24-02-2002 16:30									#126
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I bet

BTW let me ask you this: do you think that being homosexual is something that one "chooses" or not?

	24-02-2002 17:38									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak first off, i never used the word hate. I look at it similarly to this. I meet someone. I think they are a nice person. I find out they like kiddy porn. I no longer like this person. Same kind of thing to me, both are detestable. DM, i think you miss the point of the 2 sins comment. 1) same sex sex is a sin. 2) sex out of marriage is a sin 3) homos cannot be married in the eyes of god, in my opinion 4) any homo sex would therefore be sodomy, and sex out of wedlock, and for that matter, one lusting after the other. 3-2 I win =) I think someone else used plato earlier too. This isn't exactly applicable. The greeks did not perform sodomy. Sex between two males was between the thighs, there was no penetration of orrifices...And even then, many people viewed it as wrong. Check some Aristotle, he condemns it... DM, if you read back, I wasn't basing my opinion on scripture. I only made reference to sin as a response to someone else. I am no super christian, and am not perfect, nor claim to be.

You've got a seriously twisted set of moral values to lump sex between consenting adults in with child abuse. However it's entirely in keeping with your performance in this thread so far which reminds me of nothing quite so much as a fly drowning in molasses- desperately flailing around for anything to grab hold of, but all utterly hopeless.

Still, I'm bored so I'll take this up. Again, what are you hoping to achieve with this post? Is it just buggery that makes your poo-poo scrunch up with horror? Is intercrural sex between men all fab and dandy? Is taking the brown door OK if the chocolate love in question is performed on females, not males?

Would it alter anything if we explored the fact that the Romans embraced sodomy with positive glee?

Would it surprise you to know that buggery isn't the be-all and end-all of gay sex, and that many sexually active gay men never actually practice it?

Here's a challenge. There's a management exercise known as the "5 whys". When faced with a situation, ask "Why". Then, on viewing the outcome, ask "why" again, and continue until you hit the root cause. Do this on your situation of finding gays detestable, and be brutally honest with yourself. I'd like to know the root causes of this to make this more productive.

Finally, if you wish to uphold your intellectual credentials please try to make a coherant case for the stance you have chosen to declare here. It's difficult to take claims of high intellect seriously when the claimant in question appears incapable of carrying an argument in a bucket.

	24-02-2002 18:02									#128
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You know, I think the only thing I am intolerant of is intolerance

Kaak, you have massively gone down in my estimation since this thread was created, I thought you were altogether more level-headed. Go and join the ranks of Albert Speer and Giancarlo for this little faux pas,

	24-02-2002 18:17									#129
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Lemme get this straight: gay sex disgusts you, so you dislike gays?

Does this apply to normal anal sex too? Do you hate any of your frat-brothers who've done anal as well? Unless you actually like it as well, you sodomist!

	24-02-2002 19:21									#130
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Kaak, which version of the Bible are you qutoing? In the King James and the New Standard Revised the word "sex" is not used in either Genesis 19 or Judges 19.

	24-02-2002 20:34									#131
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Wow, Kaak, I would have to say that you do appear to be world-class ignorant.

Just my opinion, of course.

	24-02-2002 22:37									#132
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Kaak, I notice you choose to ignore my post. It makes you look like a total piece of unhuman crap, so you picked your battle. I find you detestable.

	24-02-2002 23:04									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak I do not like homosexuals. This said, I would like you all to know that I have come to terms with my bigotry. I do not dislike people based on race, creed, or cultural background. I am not a racist. I do not like homosexuals. I do not drink. I do not smoke. I have never been drunk, I have never used any tobacco product, I have never used any drugs. I do not like homosexuals. So, overall, I have come to terms with my bigotry. It may be a flaw. If it is a flaw, I am okay with that. I think I am fairly open minded, and generally a good person. I may have A flaw. I am okay with that. I do not like homosexuals. In my opinion, it is wrong. It is unnatural, and immoral. This is my opinion. You are welcome to yours, I am welcome to mine. AND, in my opinion, homosexuals are utterly disgusting. So, to all of the homosexuals out there, I understand if you don't like me. I'm okay with that too. But don't worry! You aren't alone. I don't like VERY FAT people either.

Here's a definition of bigot.

bigot: an obstinate and intolerant believer in a religion, political theory, etc.

bigoted: unreasonably prejudiced and intolerant.

But remember guys, Kaak never used the word hate.
I will let other people decide if Kaak hates homosexuals. He is either afraid of homosexuals, hates homosexuals, or both--fearful and hateful towards us.

	24-02-2002 23:52									#134
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Kaak: What were you hoping to accomplish with this thread?

	25-02-2002 00:49									#135
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To demonstrate his stupidity?

	25-02-2002 00:52									#136
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We must stop shouting at each other so our voices can be heard. A wide range of opinions is good, making the thoughts and expressions here diverse. Bombastic rhetoric to rhetoric with promises it cannot deliever is dangerous.

Lets lower our voices so everyone can be heard. One opinion is not right, nor is it wrong.... it is just an opinion. However an opinion can go too far. That is one thing I am still learning.

	25-02-2002 01:04									#138
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I swear, Giannie is a clone of Shrub.

	25-02-2002 01:05									#139
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Giancarlo- how exactly does an openly professed detestation of a sizeable social group, coupled with a ham-fisted attempt to justify this, become conducive to diversity of opinions?

	25-02-2002 01:08									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny Giancarlo- how exactly does an openly professed detestation of a sizeable social group, coupled with a ham-fisted attempt to justify this, become conducive to diversity of opinions?

I deny that this social group is anything pero sizeable.

If only one opinion is allowed on this issue, and that is your's or most of the people here who accept homosexuality, means a lack of diversity of opinions. Can one not hold a different opinion then you?

	25-02-2002 01:11									#141
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quote: Originally posted by connorkimbro Did you lose the taste for sausage sandwich again, Gianni?

---====Note to self : in the future , never bring food with homoerotical conotations while eating.====---


Giancarlo's last post :

	25-02-2002 01:12									#142
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Two points, Giancarlo. Firstly, edit out the "but" in that first line or you'll make a fool of yourself.

Secondly- read the thread. As I said, he is entitled to an opinion. However, when you start a thread on the subject in what appears to be either an attempt at justification or a plea for acceptability, expect vocal dissent. That is our right.

	25-02-2002 01:20									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny Two points, Giancarlo. Firstly, edit out the "but" in that first line or you'll make a fool of yourself.

For now on I will type in Spanglish, if it is suitable by your crazy standards.

quote: Secondly- read the thread. As I said, he is entitled to an opinion. However, when you start a thread on the subject in what appears to be either an attempt at justificaton or a plea for acceptability, expect vocal dissent. That is our right.

One hundred percent absolutely most certainly. I am not holding a gun to your head saying you cannot. Infact you are free to say what you want, as am I.

	25-02-2002 01:25									#144
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Crazy standards? It was a double negative, you bizarre child. In effect it left you saying that gays are a sizeable grouping- which wasn't what you were intending, was it?

	25-02-2002 01:41									#145
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Kaak,

There are loads of gay men around of which you don't know they're gay. My brother is gay and when people find out they're alwasy surprised, because he's not the happy gay-kind. So your opinion on gays is largely built on the 'visible' gays, which is only a segment of the whole group.

I'm still not sure why exactly do you hate (eh, 'dislike') gays. Because they act unnatural and immoral? Isn't it a good christian belief not to hate? As long as you've never been raped by a big fat gay, why would you dislike them? Why would you dislike a group of people who never done anything wrong to you, except maybe make you feel akward because they are not like you. Do you want everyone to be like you? If a guy gets his kicks from another guy, what the f#ck would you care? Even if they come on to you, just say no. Or do they make you dream funny afterwards?

I still don't understand why you made this thread. Because you're now comfortable with your hate? I'm no christian (not practising anyway), but I do believe the Kingdom of Heaven is within. As long as you have hatred ('dislike') in your heart, you will never accomplish that. Hate people for what they have done, not for what they are.

	25-02-2002 01:47									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny Crazy standards? It was a double negative, you bizarre child. In effect it left you saying that gays are a sizeable grouping- which wasn't what you were intending, was it?

Are you American?

In the US they use this statement: Anything but this... anything but that. Anything but sizable, means not sizable. I don't think I got it flip-flopped.

	25-02-2002 02:27									#147
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"I deny that this social group is anything but sizeable. "
See, there are two negatives. You're actually saying that there are a lot of gays.

	25-02-2002 03:10									#148
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You know I always thought that demonizing someone never does any good. (not that you have done it with Kaak but I'm just saying). Oh unless he's a right - winger of course (j/k)

Before we point any fingers, maybe it is good to take a moment and think about ourselves. How many times haven't we laughed at jokes that are detrimental (is this the right word? like - offensive) towards homosexual people.

Doesn't this have the same root as Kaak's bigotry?

I don't know, I still think it is a matter of whom you have met and what impression they have left you with.
Or you haven't met anyone and you rely on what other people say.

And if you think that it is not a matter of "choice" then you can't really judge people for being who they are as long as they don't harm you or anyone else.

Of course this goes for "choice" too. If they don't harm you, what's the problem?

And another thing: being "gay" should not be what "defines" a person in his entirety.

I think it's wrong to let this aspect of them cover up all other aspects of their personality.

If he's fun to hang around then so much the better. If he's a boring person then he can bugger off.

As for the act of sodomy (no Greek sex jokes you feckers!) I don't think that's the problem.

I think Kaak finds repulsive the idea of two men doing it. But letting this cover up all else is misguided IMO.

	25-02-2002 06:01									#149
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I have a question for Kaak or anyone interested in answering.

Can you be a bigot towards a group of people, and not hate that same group of people?

He used the word bigot towards himself in his initial post, and yet, he says he never used the word hate. What's the point -- you basically said you hated us if you said you're bigoted towards us. Or, am I wrong with that??

	25-02-2002 06:02									#150
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fabulous, i'm sorry i missed your post. with 40 people arguing on one side, and only me on the other, I miss some things, especially late at night...

As far as the groups you listed, only one has a defining characteristic that is an act. There is nothing that a person does that makes him black. There is nothing a person does that makes him retarded. This is something a person does that makes them gay. To group them all together is a blatant over-generalization.

I made this thread for a few reasons. One, it was self analysis. I did some thinking, and realized how i felt, and my own inward reactions to it. secondly, I thought it would create an interesting response, which i believe it has. Some people are very angry about the post, and have made illogical, irrational arguments to "show what a fool I am." Kind of funny.

I really do not believe that anyone is perfect. Some people hide there imperfections, and hope that no one will ever notice

I am not one of those people. I have posted mine here for everyone to see. So chastize me as you will, could you do the same? Wait, i'm sorry. Sometimes i forget that i am the only imperfect one here.

Also, if you'll notice from the beginning, I never claimed to be right. I merely stated how i felt. I said then that it was bigotry. While this post may have been intended to illicit a response, it was not to gain acceptance for my opinions, or anything else. If i truly cared what the lot of you thought of me, I would not have posted what I did. I new the consensus of the forums on the matter before i posted, and I new it would draw a lot of fire.

Hope this cleared things up a little. Love you all
Kaak