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lord of the mark is offline lord of the mark
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at this stage of the war on terrorism it is worthwhile to step back and remember the assistance the US has received from its allies in the war in Afghanistan.

Britain - still the key ally. Participated in the air campaign. More importantly, their experienced special forces played a key role in the early phases, when the outcome was in doubt. They have taken the leadership of and provide the bulk of the force in the ISAF, the peacekeeping force in Kabul. Their diplomatic support has been important.

Canada -surprisingly, their troops came in not as peacekeepers, but as conventional forces alongside the US in Kandahar. (IIUC this was because of a Canadian desire not breakup a unit, which would have necessary to fit into ISAF) As some said earlier, this is a long war, and there is still opportunity to get in on the fighting, which Canada is doing.

Germany- Germany's role has been principly political and diplomatic, however in this war that has proved invaluable. In particular Germanys role in organizing the Bonn confernce, and pressing for a balanced multiethnic, multi faction govt in afganistan has given that country its best chance for peace in a long time.

Australia - Special forces played key role early.


I am not focusing here on the investigative/police war on al -qaeeda outside afghan, as that deserves a seperate thread

LOTM

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How long before Wiglaf comes here to behave like a complete jackass?

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How long before Wiglaf comes here to behave like a complete jackass?


I believe he prefers the term "horse's ass."

Anyway, should we start a pool? I say... two hours from now.

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Stefu and Guynemer...

And posts like yours just egg him on to do so. If I see you baiting him again, you will be spending some time on my private island!
You guys are just spamming this thread, and asking for trouble!

Stay on topic and leave your silly insults out of this

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Thank you Ming. However I believe I am still entitled to my opinion on the matter (?) and will respond to this little manifesto accordingly.

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Britain - still the key ally. Participated in the air campaign.

Not anymore than my dog did. Count to ten and that's about how many bombs they let loose on the Taliban. Miserable, and more importantly, worthless when compared to the huge contribution of America in all aspects of this war.

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Their experienced special forces played a key role in the early phases, when the outcome was in doubt. They have taken the leadership of and provide the bulk of the force in the ISAF, the peacekeeping force in Kabul. Their diplomatic support has been important.


Diplomatic support? You must surely mean the time when pretty little Mr. Blair so angered the many leaders of the Middle East that he was asked to leave the region immediatly in disgust? Aha. I'll give you this, though, that was one damn funny episode with Syria...

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Canada -surprisingly, their troops came in not as peacekeepers, but as conventional forces alongside the US in Kandahar. (IIUC this was because of a Canadian desire not breakup a unit, which would have necessary to fit into ISAF) As some said earlier, this is a long war, and there is still opportunity to get in on the fighting, which Canada is doing.


*throws up*

Perhaps you could present me with a list of Canadian casualties in this war, since they were side by side with our troops and all. Or maybe even a nice round figure of the total number of missiles or bombs they fired off into Afghanistan? Yawwwn.

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Germany- Germany's role has been principly political and diplomatic, however in this war that has proved invaluable. In particular Germanys role in organizing the Bonn confernce, and pressing for a balanced multiethnic, multi faction govt in afganistan has given that country its best chance for peace in a long time.


Germany did not organize any conference, the only role they played that would've been difficult for another coalition member to do itself would be the arresting of a couple suspected terrorists hiding in their country. Whoopie. Not only is that selfish, it's not related to the united war on terrorism in any way.

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Australia - Special forces played key role early.


That's remarkable, because they didn't even join the war for about five months. And even then all we got were some planes and a boat, that IIRC were recently sent back anyway.

If you really live in America, LOTM...ack. I'm really, honestly in shock.

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Wiglaf, having friends is important, it gives your enemy someone else to shoot at.

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Anyway, should we start a pool? I say... two hours from now.


Almost.
Two and a half.

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Almost.
Two and a half.


Oh lord, don't egg him on more. It's my fault he posted that tripe in the first place; let's not beg for a second serving.

As an American, I'm proud to have such close, loyal allies in a dangerous time. Of course, other Americans might disagree. That's the beauty of the country, though.

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*throws up*

Perhaps you could present me with a list of Canadian casualties in this war, since they were side by side with our troops and all. Or maybe even a nice round figure of the total number of missiles or bombs they fired off into Afghanistan? Yawwwn.

Generally ground troops do not "fire off bombs and missiles".

There are no Canadian deaths thus far. Yes, we're just that good.

One officer has been grazed by a bullet so far.

Wiglaf, don't you get tired of trolling as the village idiot?

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Not anymore than my dog did. Count to ten and that's about how many bombs they let loose on the Taliban.


Man! Remind me to not to piss off the Wiglaf and his amazing bomber dog.

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He got bitten by a raccoon today, you know.

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Last warning...

Stop the personal insults and stay on topic. Don't tempt me today.

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But he is correct - the US bombed Afghanistan for more extensively than Britain did. However, a few basic home truths will reveal the reasons:

America - First-rate superpower. Huge military with immediate overseas deployment potential.

Britain - Second-rate at best. Small military with limited deployment capability.

So America can drop more bombs on people than Britain can. Are we really surprised? And why ***** about it anyway?

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I read somewhere that at least 28 nations have contributed special ops, but will not publicly acknowledge their role.

Edit: U.S News and World Report

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you forgot to mention that apart from the US and Britain, Germany has 200 special force guys in the region searching for UBL

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Wiglaf, having friends is important, it gives your enemy someone else to shoot at.


**ROTFLMAO**

I'm just positive that our friends in Britain, Germany and elsewhere would love being viewed in that manner. But, yes, that is a nice side effect of having allies ... our enemies have a harder time taking us all down.

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Kind of disturbing that the Canadian forces have been capturing a bunch of prisoners that no one knew about...

Where do the Canadian Taliban prisoners go to? We have a nice base up at Alert...

PS: It was cool they got they game out to the troops at Kandahar.

PPS: Good punishment for al-Qaeda prisoners...put them in the Canadian women's hockey locker room...

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Where do the Canadian Taliban prisoners go to? We have a nice base up at Alert...

They went to camp X-Ray as well.

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Australia has also taken up much of the efforts in enforcing sanctions against Iraq, thereby freeing up US ships for service elsewhere. This has involved several frigates, a troop/command ship and some Orion patrol aircraft (AKA a very sizeable chunk of the navy)

It is also likely that Australia is providing signals intelligence on terrorist groups in the Phillipines and Indonesia (Australia boasts a top quality 'Sig Int' service, that's at least as good as the NSA).

New Zealand has 'unoffically' sent a platoon of SAS troopers who are believed to be operating with the Australian contingent.

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Perhaps we should offer to the Americans to replace our contribution with Wiglaf.

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New Zealand has 'unoffically' sent a platoon of SAS troopers who are believed to be operating with the Australian contingent.


i thought that NZ was getting rid of most of their army

"Perhaps we should offer to the Americans to replace our contribution with Wiglaf."

Nah, Wiglaf claims to be an American anyways, so that would be replacing Australians with an American. UNLESS you know something we don't horse... Are you confessing to owning Wiglaf?

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Wiglaf, having friends is important, it gives your enemy someone else to shoot at.


Good post. Not only is it expertly directed to it's intended audience, it is also amusing and true.

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I thought that NZ was getting rid of most of their army


They've sold off their all their combat aircraft, but the army is being strenghtened (mainly for peacekeeping missions). Pound for pound, they're better equipped then the Australian Army. (but only have two battalians compared to Australia's nine)

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We have 9 battalions now? We haven't had that for a long time.

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This is interesting link for an overview of the militaries of US allies. Please ignore the content regarding the capabilities of "potential adversaries", as I'm sure some of you will object to it as coming from a biased source...

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We have 9 battalions now? We haven't had that for a long time.


Isn't the government forming an extra brigade? (which will take us from 6 to 9 battalions)

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Yes I think they are but I didn't know it had happened yet. The Royal Australian Regiment got down as low as 4 or 5 Battalions at one stage.

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Interesting thread, lord of the mark, but it would be nice with a complete list of allies. I know Norwegians have been used tracking down Al Qaida. They have been lying in the snow for weeks giving targets to bomber planes. I'm sure Wiglaf's dog was there with them - marking places to bomb! And this dog did more work than all of the US allies!

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Lots of nations sent forces to Afghanistan, though only a few sent forces for actual combat (USA, UK, France. perhaps Canada as well)

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LOTM, your list is far from being complete !

 
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