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laurentius is offline laurentius
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who said we're rightwing?

just because we refuse to sit back and watch israelis being slaughtered we're right wing?

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and one of the urges me to list all the news sources ever that I've got my information from....


why does that scare you?

It was a qeustion.

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Since I have been declared a evil, misconducted anti-semitist, I think I'll pass the sword to next reasonable apolytoner to defend the palestinian rights too.

No where did you defend palestinian rights in your posts.

You simply attacked Israeli rights - the right to defend oneself.

Your first post here was a declaration of your rejoicing over Israeli deaths, and how we are a disgrace to you.

great "discussion".

And I know for the life of me, that i tried to talk to you on topic.
You chose to ignore it, repeatedly.
And when you finally responded to one post with a is when I became mad.
No one blamed you, until you began acting hypocritically.
But you like to be the victim. So fine, go away.


I tried to talk, no, didnt work got loads of dirt on my back. Are you really so self-righteous down the that you feel personally threatened by my disagreement of your palestinian blood-fests?

laurentius is offline laurentius
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Never mind that.

to my main point:

using the same reason, one could compare the german and american number of dead, and decide the americans were evil opressors of the german people.


Cannot, should not and will not be compared. Please dont try to simplify things that way

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Cannot, should not and will not be compared. Please dont try to simplify things that way


Says the one who compared killing 20 armed men to the holocaust.

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Says the one who compared killing 20 armed men to the holocaust.


Ohhoh! So until this day you havent killed more than 20 terrorists, damn my news resources are truly inadequate.

Come on you knew I was talking about this whole Palestinian-Israeli issue. And as Siro says, Its the Intentions that shine through your apartheid-policies.

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QUOTE] Originally posted by laurentius


Ohhoh! So until this day you havent killed more than 20 terrorists, damn my news resources are truly inadequate.

Come on you knew I was talking about this whole Palestinian-Israeli issue. And as Siro says, Its the Intentions that shine through your apartheid-policies. [/QUOTE]

Sorry. I was wrong. I should have said :
"says the man who compares the killing of 800 people, 90% of whom were involved in fighting, in a year and a half of conflict to the mass murder of 6 million defenseless men, women and children only because they were Jews".

Anyway, I want to show you 3 future suicide bombers. Educated by the Palestinian Authority. Money provided by the European Union.

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Freedom fighter number 2:

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Courageous warrior for peace number 3:

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That's why we must create Palestine as a state and give it a state army so that they won't have to use children for soldiers.


Nice point Eli

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I feel this is not really going anywhere right now. I'm under verbal attack from a well-known spanish far-rightwinger, 3 isreali rightwing sionists? And one of them urges me to list all the news sources ever that I've got my information from....


I just don't like seeing people being blown up by bombs and see terrorists train 6 year olds to fire AK-47s!

Laurentius, you are truely ignorant of what is really happening in Israel. It is best you don't talk about it at all, until you look in several neutral sources, and that does not mean the Guardian or CNN.

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until you look in several neutral sources, and that does not mean the Guardian or CNN


I'd forgotten about CNN's rabidly pro-palestinian viewpoint.

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I'd forgotten about CNN's rabidly pro-palestinian viewpoint.


One ignorant view point too!

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We really need more Israel-friendly viewpoints:

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Haven't laughed so hard for ages


(sorry Siro,Eli, Dal and whoever I 'm forgetting) but LOL - it is like the "humaniternian efforts" of the US.

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Laurentianus, you said that you'd be happy if Siro and Eli died, and that tends to rile people up. You owe them an apology. And whining about how the Israelis called you mean names for saying you enjoy their murders is rather pathetic when you accuse them of all the things they call you, i.e., racism, insensitivity to murders, and poor choice of news sources.


It's amazing - their mad because the Israeli army confiscated their rocket factory, so they attack people who don't do military service!

Fatah's Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigades claimed responsibility. Marwan Barghouthi should be killed immediately.Israel's response had better be more than just to bomb more PA buildings. Israel has to help these "Palestinian leaders" see the fulfilment of their prayers for martyrdom.

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By the way, those little kid's headbands read "friends of the martyrs" in Arabic.

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Siro, I only have a short free moment while my advisor reads through my thesis, so I'm not gonna stick around to argue. But you again completely misrepresented my views.

I don't support killing innocents. My opposition to Israel is based on my hatred of this very thing.

However, no Israeli is innocent.

And so, just like we applaud the actions of the French resistance or the Polish partisans I applaud the efforts of the palestinians to resist the occupation.

So please, don't accuse me of wanting to kill innocents. That position is reserved for the Israeli army.

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I don't support killing innocents. My opposition to Israel is based on my hatred of this very thing.

However, no Israeli is innocent.

You sound like the sort of Nazis who talk about how Jews deserved to die because some of them were leftists. The victims of this bombing don't even have relatives serving in the Israeli army; they're Ultra-Orthodox.
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And so, just like we applaud the actions of the French resistance or the Polish partisans I applaud the efforts of the palestinians to resist the occupation.

They never killed one year old babies. Comparing them to these murderers is libelous.
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So please, don't accuse me of wanting to kill innocents. That position is reserved for the Israeli army.

Don't accuse me of racism or insensitivty. That's reserved for you.

Sirotnikov is offline Sirotnikov
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I tried to talk, no, didnt work got loads of dirt on my back. Are you really so self-righteous down the that you feel personally threatened by my disagreement of your palestinian blood-fests?


You perhaps tried to talk to yourself.

You haven't related to my points and kept yelling idiotic accusations.


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Cannot, should not and will not be compared. Please dont try to simplify things that way

Again you ignored my point and went like every good demagogue after a technicality.

You still don't explain how you can ignore the intention.

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We really need more Israel-friendly viewpoints:


That picture was indeed funny and sharp witted.

Just because of that I won't mention what nice pics I can bring of jorg heider.

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Siro, I only have a short free moment while my advisor reads through my thesis, so I'm not gonna stick around to argue. But you again completely misrepresented my views.

Welcome to the ME thread

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I don't support killing innocents. My opposition to Israel is based on my hatred of this very thing.

However, no Israeli is innocent.

Ok fine.

I'll restate:

You support killing civilians based on their inaction/support.

If I had used that logic I would had to support killing about 80% of the palestinian population. Which I don't.

Also, using your logic, the 9/11 terract was justified because those 4,000 people were as guilty of american war crimes and opression of other countries, as any american general.

Needless to say, I completely don't support that view point.

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And so, just like we applaud the actions of the French resistance or the Polish partisans I applaud the efforts of the palestinians to resist the occupation.

Natan has a nice point.

I never heard of the French resistance targeting little children at disco parties and such.

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So please, don't accuse me of wanting to kill innocents. That position is reserved for the Israeli army.

Who'se making wild accusations now?

Fine. I'll call them civilians.

I claim that civilians are by defenition innocent and not viable targets in any kind of war, except ethnic cleansing.

You support ethnic cleansing is due against the Israelis?

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By the way, those little kid's headbands read "friends of the martyrs" in Arabic.

I forgot I know arabic.
That's true.

Btw, you study really fast

You've only been studying it for several months, right?

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That's why we must create Palestine as a state and give it a state army so that they won't have to use children for soldiers.


Nice point Eli


I don't disagree.

I just think that they should have an army only after they prove to forget their ambitions of fighting Israel

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Maybe we should remember this man and what he accomplished in getting peace and improving ties between Israel and Egypt.



I don't see why we shouldn't. We should go back to his thinking and try to reach a framework that actually works. Not a framework of the past but a framework where both sides can live side by side.

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Just because of that I won't mention what nice pics I can bring of jorg heider.


If you have a good Haider cartoon, by all means post it. IŽll add it to my collection.

(You seem to have a sort of idee fixe that IŽm a fan of Haider; very far from true. But I donŽt blame you, since you have no idea of Austrian politics. Fyi, though: In general, the Austrian Right is more pro-Israel than the Austrian Left; given the fact that Sharon is a Fascist, that makes a lot of sense. I have no idea where Haider stands concerning Israel, but I wouldnŽt at all be surprised if he is more pro-Israel than I.)

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Gian, admit it, you were just jealous of comrade tribune and wanted to post a picture too, right?



well, until we have such a palestinian leader, there'll be no peace.

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Maybe we should remember this man and what he accomplished in getting peace and improving ties between Israel and Egypt.

And this one too, for the same reason.



Siro: About a year and a half. But all by myself!

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Is that a picture of Begin? I dunno much about Israel's past.

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well, until we have such a palestinian leader, there'll be no peace.


Arafat is not that leader who will pursue peace.

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how can you study that nightmare by yourself?? Arabic is a nightmare. And I know hebrew, russian, english and some german as well.

Hey, did you notice laurentius doesn't reply to posts where he can't deform the content and argue against it?


He hasn't answered Eli's post, so I guess he concedes Eli is right?

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If you have a good Haider cartoon, by all means post it. IŽll add it to my collection.

Post your collection of haider cartoons first.

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(You seem to have a sort of idee fixe that IŽm a fan of Haider; very far from true. But I donŽt blame you, since you have no idea of Austrian politics.

You're right.

I forgot you support innocent man loving Saddam Hussein, as you posted in a previous thread.

How could I?

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Fyi, though: In general, the Austrian Right is more pro-Israel than the Austrian Left; given the fact that Sharon is a Fascist, that makes a lot of sense.

Sharon isn't a fascist.

Not by the defenition of fascism nor by any other standards.

He is a right wing, and supports a good crack down when one is needed.

But I read recently that he called for talks with the palestinians back in 74, so he's not as palestinian hating as you'd think

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I have no idea where Haider stands concerning Israel, but I wouldnŽt at all be surprised if he is more pro-Israel than I.)

You're wrong here.

He's very pro-arab. Todays anti-semites are all pro-arab. And many arabs are pro-antisemites.

Palestinian leaders met with hitler in his time. Were supportive of his goal, and iirc were quoted to say words of support for his attempts to rid of jews.

Sadly Israeli extremists tried to arrange a meeting too. They thought Hitler might help Israel against Britain. I'm sure hitler would have loved "liberating" israel, but for other purposes than they thought.

I guess every era has it's own Yossi Belin type guys who met with the enemy and were convinced they were friends.

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I forgot you support innocent man loving Saddam Hussein, as you posted in a previous thread.


Innocent man loving Saddam Hussein? Is he gay?

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He's very pro-arab. Todays anti-semites are all pro-arab. And many arabs are pro-antisemites.


Those things are not so clear-cut as you seem to believe. Haider at least pretends to be philo-semitic; and one of his party leaders is Jewish. (Both in cartoon below)

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