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Leonidas
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Is this possible in CTP2:
When a civilization builds a Wonder, it could appear as a 2D image on the terrain next to the civ that built it. This Wonder would confer its normal benefits on the civ in general and would also give the city that built it some bonuses such as extra gold or production (people would travel far and wide to see this Wonder of the World).
This would not be done for all the Wonders but for a select few. You could do it for: Pyramids, Stonehenge, Great Library, Hanging Gardens, Great Lighthouse, etc
For example, when a civ builds the Great Pyramids, they would appear as a beautifully rendered 2D icon on that civ's territory. The Pyramids would have a physical prescence, and wouldn't just be a name on an inventory list.
I think it would be great, when travelling through another civ's territory, to come across the Pyramids in all their glory. Imagine the possibilities!
I think adding something like this would add an extra touch to the glory of building a great civilization. To my knowledge this type of thing has never been done in a game before (except in AoE).
What do you think? Is this possible?
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Leonidas
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Sounds like you all have some excellent ideas.
I think Wonders of the World have been one of the most neglected things in the Civ series. At least in Civ 2 and CTP2 they have Wonder movies; in Civ 3 they didn't even have that. . .
Here is a discussion about Wonders from a couple of years ago. Reading through it, I was struck by how relevant it still is today:
http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum35/HTML/000107.html
In particular Harlan's comments:
"Picking your wonder at the start of the game doesn't work for me at all. Like the ancient Egyptians are gonna know they'll want the Internet in 6000 years? But a limit to the number of wonders you can build by age, that's the ticket.
Instead of having wonders tend to make the stronger stronger and the weak weaker, the effect would be more even. The amount of wonders allowed per age would depend on how long the ages will be. It might also depend on how many players (imagine if youre playing with 2 civs in a game vs. 9). But the main point is, have a strict limit.
This idea is so good it should go in the standard CTP2 setup, not just a SLIC addon. At least have it as an option when you start the game."
If somehow, it can be possible to make building and having a Wonder truly a great thing, then I think they will not only have importance, but will be inspiring as well.
Imagine seeing these Wonders dotting the landscape of the world. Heck, I'd probably build units just so I could travel around the world just to see the Wonders that all the Civs were building 
Last edited by Leonidas on 20-03-2002 at 04:31
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Leonidas
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Perhaps a starting point for the Pyramids icon might be with the "Pyramid city type" that is found in the City Mod included in Cradle and others.
These pyramids could be improved upon and given a bigger and better look to represent this Wonder.
The pyramids of long ago looked far different than they do today. While the bulk of the Pyramid's core was constructed of 4,000- to 40,000-pound blocks of soft limestone, the outer layer of the Pyramid was made of a beautifully bright, protective layer of polished stone. These outer "casing stones" are missing today because about 600 years ago they were stolen by Arabs, (This accounts for the very worn appearance of the Pyramid today, since the inner limestone blocks are not immune to attack by the elements of wind, rain, and sandstorm.) This protective covering was made up of 100-inch-thick, 20-ton blocks of hard, white polished limestone, similar to marble but superior in hardness and in durability against the elements. To top it off, the pyramids were capped with gold. . . .
Imagine what they must have looked like! In the bright sun they would have shone brilliantly. The polished casing stones, 144,000 in all, were so brilliant that they could literally be seen from the mountains of Israel hundreds of miles away. On bright mornings and late afternoons, sunlight reflected by this vast mirrored surface of 5-1/4 acres distinguished the Pyramid as being visible from the moon.
What a sight they must have been. . .
Not to mention what the Sphinx would have looked like:
Last edited by Leonidas on 20-03-2002 at 05:16
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Locutus
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ACS CTP1/2 Manager & Civ4 Co-Manager
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Hengelo, The Netherlands
Nov 1999
time: 06:18
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WAIT A F*CKING MINUTE!!!!!!! I know this is off-topic but I've been looking for this for this over 18 months!!!  (now, where's that : party : smilie when you need it?)
Quoting MrOrge from that thread:
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int_f mod_CityHappiness(city_t city, int_t happiness)
{
if(CityHasWonder(city, WonderDB(WONDER_SLICED_BREAD)) {
// Add 5 happiness to the city that invented sliced bread
return happiness + 5;
}
return happiness;
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So, the mod_CityHappiness function *does* work, contrary to what I always believed. This probably means mod_UnitAttack, mod_UnitRangedAttack and mod_UnitDefense work as well, which opens up some really nice new possibilities for SLICers, presuming we can find out what arguments they require...
Although it was completely by accident, Leonidas: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU 
(Stupid thing is, I vividly remember that thread, I just don't recall ever seeing that particular post before)
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Leonidas
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quote:
Originally posted by Locutus
I've been looking for this for this over 18 months!!! (now, where's that : party : smilie when you need it?)
Although it was completely by accident, Leonidas: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU
(Stupid thing is, I vividly remember that thread, I just don't recall ever seeing that particular post before) |
Locutus: Glad that link provided seed for some inspiration  Best of luck in your efforts. . .
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Leonidas
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quote:
Originally posted by hexagonian
This would be so cool to be able to add the Wonder visual to the map....if this can be set up, I would get it into Cradle in a heartbeat.
BTW, Leonidas, is that top pic of the Mexican pyramids from Chichen Itza? I visited that site on my honeymoon (back in '86). Incredible place... |
hexagonian: I agree - if you guys can add Wonders to the map in CTP2, you will have created a first in TBS games; no other civ/strategy game has accomplished this. . .
Some of the Wonders could even take up 2 or 3 tiles depending on the Wonder. For example, the Mexican Pyramid style could replicate the Pyramid of the Sun and Moon complex as noted in the pic above. This was a huge complex of pyramids. On the map, this would look awesome. . .
We are only limited by our imaginations. . .
Imagine huge, free-standing Stelas, statutes, Complexes, Buildings. . .
I think that pic is from Chichen Itza. But there are tons of pyramids scatterd throughout Mexico and Central/South America. . . I agree. Incredible place. I think there is still so much we still need to learn about the past, and these cultures. . .
I love ancient history and could spend hours reading/looking at this stuff
BTW, they are in the process of building a new Great Library in Egypt. . .
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Leonidas
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quote:
Originally posted by Locutus
Don't have much time to work things out right now, but I certainly would want this in HoC, I already planned on re-doing the whole Wonder concept anyway... |
Locutus: I looked through your HoC - I'm impressed with the work you have put into this concept. You HAVE been busy. . .
Last edited by Leonidas on 20-03-2002 at 22:04
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Leonidas
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It is interesting that one of the Mexican Pyramids (called the Pyramid of the Sun) is actually larger than the Great Pyramid at Ghiza.
No one knows who actually built it or what it was actually called. When the Aztecs made their appearance, this pyramid was already very ancient in age. . .
Last edited by Leonidas on 20-03-2002 at 22:16
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Locutus
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ACS CTP1/2 Manager & Civ4 Co-Manager
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Hengelo, The Netherlands
Nov 1999
time: 06:18
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Originally posted by Leonidas
BTW, did you ever see Hancock's "In Search of the Lost Civilization"? It was a 4-part series on TV. While I don't necessarily agree with all of his conclusions, he did present a fascinating visual guide to all of the major ancient sites around the world. . . |
Heck, I think I even read one of his books (but that was a long time ago and my memory has more holes than Swiss cheese ). Yes, his theories are interesting but sometimes a little far-fetched and silly.
One example: I think it was him - but it could have been someone else - who found out that 91 was a recurring number in numerous temples and pyramids and stuff around the world and claimed that this was evidence of a lost civilization. However, 91 * 4 + 1 = 365, so it's not all that remarkable, really
But there are plenty of other issues in which Hancock and other people with 'far-out' ideas (such as e.g. Clyde Winters) have a point, something that other historians and archeologists ought to take more seriously, IMHO...
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Here's a link to many underwater structures found around the world: |
Cool, I didn't know that particular site yet. Added to my favourites
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19-03-2002 23:06
It can probably be done by making the wonder a tile improvement and building it through SLIC...
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