11-06-2002 01:36									#121
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My thoughts exactly. It used to not be a priority, but we've experienced increased early hostilities, so why not.

RAH

	11-06-2002 01:47									#122
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I agree I just thought it was ironic since you built it in the last 3 games we played. What was funny was the last game we played I was rushing to get Metalurgy then we quit when I was about 5 turns away (I really wanted to see those walls come down)

	11-06-2002 02:00									#123
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Yes, you were saving those 20 crusaders for something.
But those vet pikemen fortified on a river forest would still have put up a good fight. There were a lot of units in my two cities there and the one you had.

While I was busy chewing your backside before you could get muskets. Even though vet pike/reg mustkets are real similar against vet crusaders.

Those three times you mention are probably 90% of the games I built the wall in the last 6 months. Having you for a neighbor is probably a bad influence

	11-06-2002 02:15									#124
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quote: Originally posted by rah There were a lot of units in my two cities there and the one you had.

Then poor Ming tried to walk in there with a settler and a phalanx.

	11-06-2002 02:24									#125
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Yes, that was entertaining. But he was a sub and didn't know how HOT that region was. Of course Atawa didn't know it either.

	11-06-2002 02:31									#126
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Give me a break. The previous ruler hadn't done that much exploring. To me, it was all black, and it was the only place to put new cities. How could I know. I had to try to do something... 6 cities wasn't my idea of a grand empire

	11-06-2002 02:40									#127
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I wasn't criticizing you Ming, I realize you had know way of knowing what was going on there. It was just kinda funny.

	11-06-2002 03:14									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude I wasn't criticizing you Ming, I realize you had know way of knowing what was going on there. It was just kinda funny.

Oh.. I know you weren't... and while I had no idea "exactly what was going on"... I had a pretty good clue. But that was the only way out of my land mass, so I had to see how far I could push the border... It would have nice if you had just asked me to leave instead of just killing them on surprise. It's not like I was much of a threat to anybody. Heck, if you had marched a few of those crusaders into my land, there sure wasn't a heck of alot I could do to stop them.

That did change later by the way

	11-06-2002 04:13									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Heck, if you had marched a few of those crusaders into my land, there sure wasn't a heck of alot I could do to stop them.

See how nice I am

	11-06-2002 04:50									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude See how nice I am

Yeah... just sooooooo nice... That Phalanx and Settler still sing your praises

	11-06-2002 06:59									#131
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At least the crusader didn't get to brag about the kill for long .

RAH

	11-06-2002 07:32									#132
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No - He made the ultimate sacrafice for his civ and was given the medal of honor posthumously.

	24-06-2002 04:05									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude No - He made the ultimate sacrafice for his civ and was given the medal of honor posthumously.

At least I got to watch the sucker die

	24-06-2002 18:02									#134
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Coldwiz,
Lacking any additional meaningful discussion, Please add NO GW into the official RAH rules. We've been doing it the last couple of weeks, and everyone seems to be satisfied. (meaning no one b*tched about it too much)

RAH

	24-06-2002 18:13									#135
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yes i second rah's suggestion, besides it doesn't last long enough anyways....may as welll add, no oracle, and eiffel tower as welll

timbo, and oh yeah +1

	24-06-2002 18:27									#136
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Naw, I want to leave oracle in. I've seen it built twice after it has already expired. It's always such a laugh i'd hate to have to tell them it's against the rules.

RAH

	24-06-2002 18:35									#137
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War4 "we need to back out"
Rah "why"
War4 "Ming built the Oracle"
Rah " "
War4 "should we back out"
Rah "Its against the rules, lets back out"
Ming " i didn't read the updated rules, comeone i am getting killed here"
Rah "rules are rules"
*everyone backs out"
*Ming builds Oracle again*
War4&Rah

	24-06-2002 18:50									#138
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@ war4

But you forgot the "THIS BLOOOWWWWWWS"

RAH

	24-06-2002 19:03									#139
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actually some times oracle is not such a bad buy.....theology isn't always a high tech choice in our games so i guess we should leave it in there

	24-06-2002 19:31									#140
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This blows... This is the worst land I've ever seen... no huts... all plains and mountains... and the only specials I've seen so far are coal and fish...

Oh... this isn't king chat...

Yeah... I've noticed that Theology seems to be coming later and later in our games. If you just get beat out of HG early, orcale doesn't look that bad at all.

	24-06-2002 19:51									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Yeah... I've noticed that Theology seems to be coming later and later in our games. If you just get beat out of HG early, orcale doesn't look that bad at all.

But I have this sneaking suspicion that if someone actually built oracle, theology might become a higher priority just to pimp the person.

RAH

	24-06-2002 20:11									#142
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quote: Originally posted by rah But I have this sneaking suspicion that if someone actually built oracle, theology might become a higher priority just to pimp the person. RAH

In our games... you bet

However... if the first person that gets to mono and builds the chapel then continues on to theology, it takes them even farther away from the invention race, or other races...

And again... I said "early"

	25-06-2002 08:14									#143
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yes but you can still win the invention race even if you dont win the race to HG.....or for that matter you could still be taken of the track even further and i do mean further if you went the SSC route....

we should change the rules of the oracle to "it never expires" we used to do that with the old MDL rules....

oracle is a great wonder this way, not too mention it makes a fourth happy wonder....and double effectiveness for temples is huge.....though HG is better...

perhaps make it expire at the eiffel tower stage? oracle is a wonder that should be used more..but there isn't any point at this stage in our games....

btw, glad we banned GW

	25-06-2002 08:18									#144
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maybe there should be a "RAH rules" .txt file?

	25-06-2002 08:27									#145
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quote: Originally posted by rah Coldwiz, Lacking any additional meaningful discussion, Please add NO GW into the official RAH rules. We've been doing it the last couple of weeks, and everyone seems to be satisfied. (meaning no one b*tched about it too much) RAH

done and done. anything else?

	25-06-2002 08:39									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Caesar the Great maybe there should be a "RAH rules" .txt file?

a rules.txt for rah rules, or rah rules in txt format?


once again i have this feeling that War4's sig is directed towards me

	25-06-2002 09:32									#147
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lol ColdWizard , its not directed at you!

	25-06-2002 10:41									#148
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War convinced me tonight... I think we should play with oracle not expiriring to some later point. It would be an easy change in the txt file. Even rah could do it. It's so easy, that the change takes a minute, and can be changed back just as easy.

Discuss

	25-06-2002 11:32									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Ming War convinced me tonight... I think we should play with oracle not expiriring to some later point. It would be an easy change in the txt file. Even rah could do it. It's so easy, that the change takes a minute, and can be changed back just as easy. Discuss

Gee toss in that change, and rah rules will nearly have fully cloned the master diety league rules

	25-06-2002 11:44									#150
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Only thing your missing now, if i remember correctly is caravans reduced to 40 shields, diplomats costs increased to 60? shields and courthouses cost reduced by 50%. Lighthouse went to computers(?) and pyramids expired with refrigeration. Oracle never expires. Oh and there was a trade ship.. 0 attack so you could move it around in rep/dem... I haven't played a MDL game in years but i think that was all the changes not already in "rah rules" ..