24-03-2002 05:35									#31
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LOL come on Canadians at least try to present a respectable face to the Yanks, don't let them know how ****ed up we really are....

Maybe we shouldve had a Civil War or something to settle this provincialism....

(Oh, and Alberta is historically overlooked and discriminated against. It is no surprise that our PMs keep coming from this one small area...)

	24-03-2002 05:41									#32
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Alright, does the rest of the country want Quebec? Why?

Why are the Quebecois so much more French? Is it truly ancestry, or is it just from policy?

Do they lose out on, or gain tourism from America, based on all the French stuff?

	24-03-2002 05:46									#33
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The Quebecois are more French than the French themselves.

Up until the 60s, they were like a preserved relic of the Ancien Regime. Even their language is only partially comprehensible to a modern Parisienne (or at least they use 'vous' in more situations).

	24-03-2002 05:52									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker The Quebecois are more French than the French themselves.

My God! They must be the most annoying people on the planet. I'm genuinely shocked that you haven't expelled them from the country if what you say is true.

	24-03-2002 05:56									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker The Quebecois are more French than the French themselves. Up until the 60s, they were like a preserved relic of the Ancien Regime. Even their language is only partially comprehensible to a modern Parisienne (or at least they use 'vous' in more situations).

The Quebecois have been in North America since 1534. To say that we are more French that the french themselves is idiotic : by the same account Americans would be more British than the Brits themselves.

Our language is partially comprehensible to a Parisienne if we decide that we want it to be. I'll bet some of our posters from down south could probably confuse the hell out of her Majesty Elizabeth II.

If anything, we use "vous" less than the French. "Vous" is a more formal way to say "You". You don't know what you're talking about.

	24-03-2002 06:02									#36
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We need Zobo. I have it on some authority that in modern Paris 'vous' is hardly ever used anymore when addressing people.

I know you arrived in 1534. You arrived in 1534, and remained essentially frozen there (culturally) until Duplessis left.

	24-03-2002 06:02									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Asher If Quebec separates I will throw a party.

I'd invite you to the one i'll be throwing but i don't think you'd wanna come...

	24-03-2002 06:09									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker We need Zobo. I have it on some authority that in modern Paris 'vous' is hardly ever used anymore when addressing people. I know you arrived in 1534. You arrived in 1534, and remained essentially frozen there (culturally) until Duplessis left.

Yes and no. You're right that we remained frozen because this is Canada.
But as a culture, we had very little contact with the French during that time. Our culture is derived from the French culture, but it has changed because it has been influenced by our circumstances ( Territory, government, economy etc...)
Ours is a french american culture.

	24-03-2002 06:23									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker We need Zobo. I have it on some authority that in modern Paris 'vous' is hardly ever used anymore when addressing people.

Talk to whoever you want : "vous" is the plural form of "you" so it is still used by everyone.
On the other hand, it was (and still is even if less often) also used when addressing only one person. In that case it is used to show "respect". You would use it with an elder, a professor, your grandparents etc...
Otherwise you use "tu".

	24-03-2002 06:29									#40
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I still haven't heard any answers to my other questions, particularly whether the other provinces in Canada even want Quebec.

	24-03-2002 06:32									#41
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"On the other hand, it was (and still is even if less often) also used when addressing only one person. In that case it is used to show "respect". You would use it with an elder, a professor, your grandparents etc...
Otherwise you use "tu"."

LOL I live in Canada...I didn't forget 8 years of compulsory French overnight.

Vous is equivalent to 'ustedes' in Spanish, and I think German has something too (pronoun of respect) Japanese?

The question is, how do the modern French in France use vous?
As a term of respect of course, I thought that was obvious.

	24-03-2002 06:33									#42
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quote: Originally posted by MacTBone I still haven't heard any answers to my other questions, particularly whether the other provinces in Canada even want Quebec.

Depends on the places. Mostly i think they're jealous because we don't need a beer add to tell us that we're different.
Also, notice how quiet it's become inhere after the frog leaped in...

	24-03-2002 06:33									#43
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quote: Originally posted by MacTBone I still haven't heard any answers to my other questions, particularly whether the other provinces in Canada even want Quebec.

In a poll taken in 1987, 75% of Canadians allow Quebec to secede. 25% voted to throw them out anyways. (Kinda how I feel about Texas. )

Alberta would not be accepted into the United States, unless Canada dissolved, and possibly not even then. It would probably be much easier to screw you guys as a seperate country. The US has said that it would take British Columbia, mainly to connect us with Alaska.

	24-03-2002 06:35									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker "On the other hand, it was (and still is even if less often) also used when addressing only one person. In that case it is used to show "respect". You would use it with an elder, a professor, your grandparents etc... Otherwise you use "tu"." LOL I live in Canada...I didn't forget 8 years of compulsory French overnight. Vous is equivalent to 'ustedes' in Spanish, and I think German has something too (pronoun of respect) Japanese? The question is, how do the modern French in France use vous? As a term of respect of course, I thought that was obvious.

They also use it as the plural form of "you". If they're addressing more than one person they have to use it.

	24-03-2002 06:36									#45
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	24-03-2002 06:36									#46
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In German
Sie = you all and formal you
sie = she

	24-03-2002 06:37									#47
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"The US has said that it would take British Columbia, mainly to connect us with Alaska."

How generous...first the Brits give them the panhandle, now this...

Personally, I think we could grab North Dakota and they wouldn't even notice.

	24-03-2002 06:42									#48
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You're welcome to it, then we woudn't have that bitter North-South rivalry.

	24-03-2002 07:25									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Richelieu I'd invite you to the one i'll be throwing but i don't think you'd wanna come...

Not gonna happen, friend.

Support's down to 40%, and all the vote-tampering in the world's going to make up that deficit.

	24-03-2002 07:26									#50
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Besides which, we'll be saying goodbye to the PQ in 3 years or so...

	24-03-2002 07:27									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker "The US has said that it would take British Columbia, mainly to connect us with Alaska." How generous...first the Brits give them the panhandle, now this... Personally, I think we could grab North Dakota and they wouldn't even notice.

I think we should take Maine and Alaska. Makes sense when you look at a map.

	24-03-2002 07:30									#52
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You can't have Maine. It's one of the few states in the union that practices democracy. We need it's leadership.

	24-03-2002 07:31									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker "The US has said that it would take British Columbia, mainly to connect us with Alaska." How generous...first the Brits give them the panhandle, now this...

The panhandle came with Alaska. It was part of Russia.

	24-03-2002 07:34									#54
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There was some dispute over that at the time...

	24-03-2002 07:36									#55
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How much vote tampering are you talking about ?
I've heard/read about the claims, and i even seem to remember that there was proof to that effect but i have no numbers.
Care to share ?

As for popular support for separation: it's been lower but I don't think it's likely to happen in the near future either, if ever.
Throughout the 80's and most of the 90's new voters in Quebec would favor Separation but that trend is dying now i believe.

So, outside of a major blunder from the Feds - but with J.C. at the helm, who knows! - i don't see the numbers getting back towards what they were in 95.

	24-03-2002 07:37									#56
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What was all that '54-40 or fight' nonsense your tribe was spewing around the time of the gold rush days about then?

What was all the diplomacy about trying to fix where the border was?

When the Brits, 'representing' us, sold us out, what big chunk of territory did you get in order to get easier Klondike access?

	24-03-2002 07:38									#57
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse There was some dispute over that at the time...

I know we were disputing Oregon territory, but that was over well before we purchased Alaska.

	24-03-2002 07:40									#58
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That was on the Princess Charlotte(?) islands, but there was also some dispute wrt what Russia actually had claim to. It had to with the extent of their colonies in the Northwest.

Almost went to war over the islands thing.

	24-03-2002 07:42									#59
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There was very much a dispute over the panhandle border.

The southern border also had a dispute, but that was settled more amiably. The episode where Kaiser Wilhelm, for whatever reason, was brought in to fix the border, he just drew a zig-zag which is why the kids who live in the wrong part of his 'zig' have such a long bus ride to high school...

	24-03-2002 07:43									#60
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quote: How much vote tampering are you talking about ? I've heard/read about the claims, and i even seem to remember that there was proof to that effect but i have no numbers. Care to share

There were claims that in 4 districts something like 20 000 "No" ballots were rejected without cause. A few electoral officers were fired. It didn't look like it was a conspiracy from the top down, just a few overzealous péquistes...