03-04-2002 08:35									#31
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Oh, and Horsey, this little ditty doesn't help your case:

"A researcher on the question of Palestine refugees and their Right of Return. Born in Beer Sheba - Palestine. Graduated from Cairo University "

Not a tad bias, is he?

	03-04-2002 08:36									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Er Chris, I think you'll find the United States is virtually alone in supporting Israel in the current conflict.

BTW, what does this have to do with the topic of this thread? Are you saying that anyone who disagrees with Israeli policy has the right to blow up their local synagogue?


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	03-04-2002 08:37									#33
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Well the fact is, as the article I posted and any number of others show, that the Palestinains had clear title to land, that the seized land is known and that the Israeli authorities themselves have precise records of all the land they seized.

So, what an ignorant fool you are Chris.

	03-04-2002 08:38									#34
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Horsey was just trolling, trying to get a rise out of me.

I doubt he has a real opinion on the whole matter.

Notice how nobody addressed the bias attcks.

	03-04-2002 08:39									#35
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While I do believe that Israel's occupation has led (mostly) to what we have now, attacking innocents knowing full well that they are innocents is beyond the pale. Israel is within her rights to defend herself.

How can the world community accept suicide bombings against known civilian targets? It doesn't matter how poor you are or oppressed. The world just can't accept it, because anything would be justifiable, if so.

Now how does this tie into these attacks Jews. It really doesn't have anything to do with it.

	03-04-2002 08:40									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Israel is fully to blame because of its illegal and brutal occupation of Palestinian lands. They are reaping what they sow. The suicide bombers are a symptom of years and years of maltreatment, injustice and occupation. I think the suicide bombing are wrong but the Palestinians have been pushed to it by frustration at Israeli intransigence. Hear, Hear Horsie! I love hearing how Israel is totally innocent in this while they actively oppress Palestinian areas. Kind of like saying the Brits were innocent of the whole colonialism thing that don't know why those damned Boers were raising such a stink .

Israel is not totally innocent - no one in this world is totally innocent - but no one has the right to deliberately murder civilians like this. The US is not totally innocent, by any means - does that justify 9/11, imram?

	03-04-2002 08:41									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Well the fact is, as the article I posted and any number of others show, that the Palestinains had clear title to land, that the seized land is known and that the Israeli authorities themselves have precise records of all the land they seized.

It shows that Arafats propaganda net has reached the web is about all.

quote: So, what an ignorant fool you are Chris.

Man, your trolling is really half-assed today, wife cut you off again?

	03-04-2002 08:41									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 Horsey was just trolling, trying to get a rise out of me. I doubt he has a real opinion on the whole matter. Notice how nobody addressed the bias attcks.

Why don't you attack the substance of the article or its sources, most of which are not Palestinian? Are you a bigot?

For Christ's sake, on the land issue he spend most of his time providing ISRAELI sources!

	03-04-2002 08:43									#39
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quote: Originally posted by DanS While I do believe that Israel's occupation has led (mostly) to what we have now, attacking innocents knowing full well that they are innocents is beyond the pale. Israel is within her rights to defend herself. How can the world community accept suicide bombings against known civilian targets? It doesn't matter how poor you are or oppressed. The world just can't accept it, because anything would be justifiable, if so.

Indeed, Shimon Peres (NOT Sharon) has said that if the world community accepts and rewards the suicide bombing, we will see more of them all around the world.

LOTM

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark The US is not totally innocent, by any means - does that justify 9/11, imram?

According to his previous statements in another thread, we deserved 9/11 because of our support for Isreal.

	03-04-2002 08:45									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Why don't you attack the substance of the article or its sources, most of which are not Palestinian? Are you a bigot?

They are as relevant to the truth as Mein Kampf is to reality.

quote: For Christ's sake, on the land issue he spend most of his time providing ISRAELI sources!

Sure he does.

	03-04-2002 08:45									#42
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quote: The US is not totally innocent, by any means - does that justify 9/11

Part of it is definetly our fault. Unlike Israel though, we don't actively oppress Arabs and make them into second class citizens (we reserved that right for the AmerIndians). Osama just wanted to strike back at the West and, I believe, created reasons to do so. He was in no way oppressed (look at his bank account). However, our short-sighted foriegn policy in the MidEast gained him followers.

	03-04-2002 08:49									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 They are as relevant to the truth as Mein Kampf is to reality.

Okay smart arse - impeach his sources. I know you won't because you can't.

He points out that an Israeli Government authority controls most if not all the seized land in Israel and rents it to Jews. I suppose that public authority is lying too and part of some Palestinian plot

Do you think you could make a bigger fool of yourself Chris or are you done at this point?

	03-04-2002 08:52									#44
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I don't see indians exploding.
Nor do I see blacks exploding.

Why? They are / were opressed much more.

Israel has 1.1 free arab citizens. We don't make them 2nd class citizens.

It is since Arafat came to power that terror attacks grew.



And AH, how does the ME war justify an attack on Jews around the world?

Are we feeling racist today?

	03-04-2002 08:52									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Okay smart arse - impeach his sources. I know you won't because you can't.

Why bother with obvious tripe?

quote: He points out that an Israeli Government authority controls most if not all the seized land in Israel and rents it to Jews. I suppose that public authority is lying too and part of some Palestinian plot

And how, pray tell, does that make them Pal lands?
And better yet, what does it have to do with french and German bias attacks against Jews?

quote: Do you think you could make a bigger fool of yourself Chris or are you done at this point?

You would have to look in the mirror to see the only fool in this thread, dear boy!

	03-04-2002 08:53									#46
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When the indigenous Australians strap explosives to themselves and blow up the Sydney Opera House Alexander's Horse will understand and agree they are right in their actions!

	03-04-2002 08:55									#47
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quote: Israel has 1.1 free arab citizens. We don't make them 2nd class citizens.

Ask people that have visited from the US and you might get a different answer.

	03-04-2002 08:57									#48
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quote: Ask people that have visited from the US and you might get a different answer.

I'll ask them if they ever visited Haifa. They'll say no.

How can tourists have an idea of what's up in the country?

	03-04-2002 09:02									#49
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You just can't bring yourself to address the substance of the article can you Chris - the Palestinian lands in Israel and the occuppied territories are fully documented, including quite openly and comprehensively by the Israeli Government.

I think its the height of ignorance on a par with holocaust denial to say otherwise.

	03-04-2002 09:04									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse You just can't bring yourself to address the substance of the article can you Chris - the Palestinian lands in Israel and the occuppied territories are fully documented, including quite openly and comprehensively by the Israeli Government.

According to Pal sympathy writers.

quote: I think its the height of ignorance on a par with holocaust denial to say otherwise.

Still waiting to see if you will comment on bias attacks against Jews.

	03-04-2002 09:06									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 According to Pal sympathy writers.

Are you a complete moron? ITS DOCUMENTED BY THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT.

quote: Still waiting to see if you will comment on bias attacks against Jews.

What bias attacks?

	03-04-2002 09:08									#52
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quote: How can tourists have an idea of what's up in the country?

They can tell people what they see. The eyes don't lie .

	03-04-2002 09:08									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Are you a complete moron?

Stop talking to yourself.

quote: ITS DOCUMENTED BY THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT.

According to a Pal boy.

quote: What bias attacks?

You might have noticed, it's the first post in the thread.

	03-04-2002 09:13									#54
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Well I think other posters will judge the level you are on.

I read the article - both President Chirac and French PM Jospin condemned the attacks so what is your point?

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse What bias attacks?

What bias attacks? He posts repeatedly to a thread and doesnt bother to check the title, or the initial post!!!!!!!!!!!!

And this from one of our civ MP gurus. Evidently superiority in one area is quite consistent with marked inferiority in another.

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Well I think other posters will judge the level you are on.

The Euros will swear up and down against me, the Yanks will agree, the Aussies will go the way they will get the biggest laughs, or dumbest trolls.

quote: I read the article - both President Chirac and French PM Jospin condemned the attacks so what is your point?

That anti-semitism is alive and well in Europe.

	03-04-2002 09:16									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Well I think other posters will judge the level you are on. I read the article - both President Chirac and French PM Jospin condemned the attacks so what is your point?

Uh, prehaps that despite the condemnation they are still going on? Perhaps just to note bad thing. Whatever. If the topic doesnt interest you, perhaps you could start your own thread.

LOTM

	03-04-2002 09:19									#58
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Horsey doesn't care about any of this, he's just trying to bust my hump.

	03-04-2002 09:22									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: The US is not totally innocent, by any means - does that justify 9/11 Part of it is definetly our fault. Unlike Israel though, we don't actively oppress Arabs and make them into second class citizens (we reserved that right for the AmerIndians). Osama just wanted to strike back at the West and, I believe, created reasons to do so. He was in no way oppressed (look at his bank account). However, our short-sighted foriegn policy in the MidEast gained him followers.

You said Israel wasnt totally innocent - i said that in no way justifies the acts of deliberate murder - now answer me - does it, or not?

This is just whats been so exasperated from the Palestinian side - every condemnation of terrorism is mealy-mouthed - terrorism is bad, but ....... Thats why there is still an occupation. You want the occupation to end, the palestinian people must reject terrorism. No ifs, ands, or buts. Without conditions. Period.

LOTM

	03-04-2002 09:23									#60
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Unfortunately Israel's treatment of the Palestinians has given anti-semitism a new lease of life all around the world.