09-04-2002 21:06									#271
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quote: Originally posted by SociableMartian Exactly. And unrepentant gays shouldn't get tax breaks; gays attempting to straighten themselves out should.

You are SO a DL.

	10-04-2002 01:10									#272
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf I want some arguments. The truth is, there never was an argument that homosexuality is a positive trait. The real issue was what to do about it.

You will get arguments once you provide something that is valid and makes sense, and is not hateful.

quote: Hope you gays of Apolyton realize that, as much as it's fine to be happy with yourself (although as was said earlier that doesn't mean much), you ought to try and change as your behavior is not very rewarding to the species as a whole. At all.

Actually it curbs the population growth marginally. Population is exploding and soon there won't be any resources left, so I think homosexuality is positive, but it will never grow past 5%-10% (depending on either a conservative or liberal statistic) demographic.

quote: Again, I want someone to tell me homosexuality is good for the species with a straight face and an argument to back it.

Well it could curb population growth marginally. Now tell me why it is really bad without giving me bullshit.

	10-04-2002 01:17									#273
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Whatever Gianny. Go all super marine ape robot on me. I want some arguments. The truth is, there never was an argument that homosexuality is a positive trait. The real issue was what to do about it. Hope you gays of Apolyton realize that, as much as it's fine to be happy with yourself (although as was said earlier that doesn't mean much), you ought to try and change as your behavior is not very rewarding to the species as a whole. At all. Again, I want someone to tell me homosexuality is good for the species with a straight face and an argument to back it.

Tell me how religion is good for the species as a whole.

How is hunting good for modern society as a whole?

How is war good for the species as a whole?

does this mean we can give tax breaks to republicans who vote democratic?

	10-04-2002 07:22									#274
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None of those are biological issues, faeelin. None of those are counter-evolutionary (disrupt one of man's most powerful natural drives).

quote: Well it could curb population growth marginally. Now tell me why it is really bad without giving me bullshit.

Birth defects also curb population growth marginally...what's your point? They're still negative.

quote: During any debate, the burden of the proof is on the proposition of the argument. You don't seem to realise that - you present an argument and then demand links from a single 'trusted' source to prove the opposition's case, without ever providing any proof or any links yourself. You can't expect your arguments to stand without proof.

Gianny presented the argument that homosexuals make up a certain percent of the population or whatever. He can't just go around willy-nilly making all sorts of bullshit claims like that expecting me to prove and disprove all of it for him. Nice try though.

quote: Keep up your anti gay crap, and we won't have to read your bigoted garbage

How is any of what I said bigoted (again, if you think this is bad you ain't seen bigoted...)? Care to explain how homosexuality is a positive evolutionary trait, Ming? You really can't...I'm stating the truth here.

And if we've really reached the point in culture where you can't discuss the serious downsides of being gay...how pathetic is that. (for the record, it's ming's exact overly PC attitude now that will actually lead to the eventual spread of homosexuality in the future..forget that 10% figure)

	10-04-2002 07:40									#275
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Gianny presented the argument that homosexuals make up a certain percent of the population or whatever. He can't just go around willy-nilly making all sorts of bullshit claims like that expecting me to prove and disprove all of it for him. Nice try though.

Once again, YOU started this post. Where are YOUR LINKS to prove that homosexuality is a negative trait.

You always divert attention from the gaping holes in your arguements by demanding links. So, for the gaping holes in my arguements, where are your links?

does this explain it to you, or do I need to type with smaller words?

	10-04-2002 07:45									#276
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf How is any of what I said bigoted (again, if you think this is bad you ain't seen bigoted...)? Care to explain how homosexuality is a positive evolutionary trait, Ming? You really can't...I'm stating the truth here.

definition of bigot

bigot: an obstinate and intolerant believer in a religion, political theory, ETC.

Based on that, I would say you fit the definition from your past posts on this thread.

	10-04-2002 07:47									#277
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Wiglaf:

quote: Our biological purpose is to reproduce (unless you disagree?).

I already said I disagree. To prove you wrong, I pointed to social insects. They do not reproduce. If you are going to say that every single organism's purpose is to reporduce, you have to explain why sterile worker insects do not.

	10-04-2002 07:53									#278
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Those people who have claimed that they have changed, have not really changed their sexual orientation. They only changed their behavior -- acting straight, when they will always be gay for the rest of their lives. The prevelant hatred towards homosexuals has caused some gays to be manipulated into believing they can change their sexual orientation. And I do not believe in the social double standards saying that heterosexuals can behave as couples in public, but not homosexuals. Our society use to have social double standards based on race -- it was called Jim Crow. But then we realized how wrong those social double standards were.

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	10-04-2002 08:01									#279
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DaShi -- is a high score with you on that argument I gave, good or bad??

	10-04-2002 20:13									#280
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Gianny presented the argument that homosexuals make up a certain percent of the population or whatever. He can't just go around willy-nilly making all sorts of bullshit claims like that expecting me to prove and disprove all of it for him. Nice try though.

Oh no, good try to you. I wasn't talking about any small percentage of this argument - I was talking about the whole thing. Not once in this thread have you provided links or any other form of proof. You're a bullshitter, Wiggy, pure and simple.

	11-04-2002 02:41									#281
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What have I said requires a link? Nothing. I'm asking a simple question/favor: I want someone here to tell me how homosexuality could ever be a positive evolutionary trait in general (going by the rather accepted notion that being born with no limbs is negative). Right now.

Oh, btw, I really found this damn hilarious:

quote: You always divert attention from the gaping holes in your arguements by demanding links. So, for the gaping holes in my arguements, where are your links?

First off, it's "arguments" not "arguements".

Second off, I said a link "would be nice" once in this thread to Gianny. That's about it. And if you had been following the conversation at all you also would've realized I accepted his little 5-10% figure regardless.

Aw hell, I'll admit it. I always divert attention from failing arguments by demanding links. You've found me out.

Whatever.

quote: bigot: an obstinate and intolerant believer in a religion, political theory, ETC. Based on that, I would say you fit the definition from your past posts on this thread.

So we've gotten to the point in society where we can't even admit homosexuality denies normal reproduction and as such is a generally bad trait for a species to walk around with? Once again, whatever. And since I don't exactly see you telling me how being gay furthers the species either, it's about time to put up or shut up.

	11-04-2002 02:46									#282
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Sidenote: I think it's telling the only things you guys managed to respond to in my last post had to do with links and definitions. Nothing about the actual issue at hand.

Wonderful.

	11-04-2002 03:16									#283
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Sidenote: I think it's telling the only things you guys managed to respond to in my last post had to do with links and definitions. Nothing about the actual issue at hand.

The issue at hand was whether gay people who go to therapy to become heterosexual should get a tax deduction.

The answer is NO.

Now will you let this thing die?

	11-04-2002 05:07									#284
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf So we've gotten to the point in society where we can't even admit homosexuality denies normal reproduction and as such is a generally bad trait for a species to walk around with? Once again, whatever. And since I don't exactly see you telling me how being gay furthers the species either, it's about time to put up or shut up.

So in other words, all heterosexual couples who choose not to perpetuate the human species should be condemnded as well??

Anyway, there are ways that homosexual couples can perpetuate posterity, as I and others have already mentioned.

	11-04-2002 05:35									#285
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Should Wiglaf receive a tax deduction if he seeks medical help to cure his cretinism?

	11-04-2002 12:24									#286
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Off-topic question but does this http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame39.html remind you of any one?

	11-04-2002 20:53									#287
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Should Wiglaf receive a tax deduction if he seeks medical help to cure his cretinism?

I don't see why he needs medical help. All his points have been perfectly sensible and realistic. The only straight people who disagree with him are the closet gays.

	11-04-2002 20:55									#288
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quote: Originally posted by SociableMartian I don't see why he needs medical help. All his points have been perfectly sensible and realistic. The only straight people who disagree with him are the closet gays.

DL! DL! DL! DL!

Come on, Horsie, give it up.

	11-04-2002 20:57									#289
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quote: Originally posted by SociableMartian I don't see why he needs medical help. All his points have been perfectly sensible and realistic. The only straight people who disagree with him are the closet gays.

So, I'm a homosexual? That's nice. Got to leave my girlfriend, but what the heck.

	11-04-2002 21:01									#290
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Well, either that or you're lying.

	11-04-2002 21:08									#291
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DL! DL! DL!

	11-04-2002 21:10									#292
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I can't change my beliefs just because a few people find them offensive. And I'm not a DL.

	11-04-2002 22:49									#293
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quote: Originally posted by -=Vagrant=- Off-topic question but does this http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame39.html remind you of any one?

I'd say that Ferrous Cranus or L'Enfant Provocateur are more appropriate.

	11-04-2002 23:57									#294
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Maybe a combination of all three?

	12-04-2002 01:46									#295
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quote: Originally posted by SociableMartian I don't see why he needs medical help. All his points have been perfectly sensible and realistic. The only straight people who disagree with him are the closet gays.

What a bunch of bulls**t!!

Just because there are many straight people who see that gays and lesbians have the same dignity and worthiness that comes with being human, does not make those straight people gay!!

You definitely do not know how the real world works.

I got friends who are straight, and all of my immediate family (mother, and older siblings), who were raised Catholic have accepted me!!

Take your ignorant nonsense elsewhere, please!!

	12-04-2002 01:53									#296
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MrFun, please refrain from putting SociableMartian's posts in quotes. It defeats the purpose of having him on my ignore list if the thread still gets cluttered up with his jibba-jabba.

	12-04-2002 01:57									#297
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Sorry Loinburger, I did not mean to hurt your eyes.

But I was in an angry moment, so . . . . .

	12-04-2002 02:20									#298
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Wiglaf is the biggest idiot I know on these forums. He can't even respond to any of my posts.

I already gave up on responding to his nonsense.

quote: don't see why he needs medical help. All his points have been perfectly sensible and realistic.

Bullshit, His points have been useless, stupid, and idiotic. He can't even think of what he is saying. He definitely needs serious medical attention because there is something not working in that faulty brain of his.

	12-04-2002 03:04									#299
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OK, everybody's had their fun and flames, and a few people got offended.

Normally, this thread would have been napalmed on sight, but since I banned Wiglaf a couple of days too long, I told him I'd give him a free troll thread as compensation. This was it, so that's why I didn't BBQ it before. (Toast is so boring )

Six pages and a bazillion page views, so I think Wiggy got his two extra days back with interest.

So long troll thread, it was nice ignoring you.