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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:18
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NEWS THREADNO DISCUSSIONS PLEASE
Arch terrorist assassinated
A swat team with the aid of police and GSS assassinated yesterday 6 Hamas activists, among them Kais Adwan, the head of Hamas's military wing in the west bank. Security sources said that the 6 were involved in many terrorist acts and were killed by a missile shot at their house. A wearehouse with demolition material was found. Adwan was a senior in the cell that planned and comitted the terract in "Park" Hotel in Netanya on the eve of Pesah, the terract in "Maza" restaurant in Haifa, the "Sbaro" restaurant in Jerusalem and in the train station in Naharia half a year ago.
3 more "cooperators" found dead
3 cooperators which were suspected of aiding ISrael locate the Hamas terrorists were found dead later in the same village.
Failed assassination at Jihad commander
Israel failed to assassinate Daib Shwaiki, of the top Jihad commanders. Reportedly he wasn't hurt. 11 Palestinains were injured however, when IDF opened fire from a helicopter on his car. The commander stopped his car and ran away.
Hamas promises new kind of revenge
Hamas promised to revenge the 6 members, by a "new king of terract which will rock Israel". Reportedly they made threats even before to assassinate Sharon.
Bush: Peace can be reached without Arafat
Tonight bush said that peace in the ME can be reached without Arafat as well. "He let down his people, and there are other men in the Area that can lead a peace move - among them the Saudi crown Prince, President of Egypt and King of Jordan". Bush was speaking to a Brittish television network.
Sharon to gather Knesset for special announcement
Ariel Sharon said that he is going to gather the Knesset shortly to make a special announcement. This after a MK threatened to appeal to the Supreme Justice Court after Sharon didn't appear to a special Knesset rally, and has never officially declared war. Sharon's office responded that no decision to start war was made.
Teachers will bear arms to defend schools
The governement decided that some 1000 teachers will defend schools and kindergartens with no hired guards. Those teachers who have weapons lisences and are in military age.
Israeli arabs arrested after riots
A group of Israeli Arabs was rioting and throwing rocks on passing cars near Um-al-Fahem. The road was closed to traffic several times due to this. Later, a border-police unit forced the rioters back into the city, and arrested some. No casualties reported.
B'tselem: Israel tortures captives
B'tselemt claims that from reports it's been getting, Palestinian prisoners in Ofer camp near Ramallah, interrogators are using torture, including breaking people's toes. IDF says that the response lays in the PM's office which is responsible for GSS actions. Israeli Supreme Court of Justice ruled torture to be illegal, except for "ticking bomb" situations. Several terracts have been prevented since the incursion, and several arch-terrorists were captured or killed.
France: anti-semitic terract prevented
a Jewish community member discovered a 2kg bomb in a Jewish cemetery in Shtrassburg. The police neutralized the bomb. 3 suspects admitted to throwing Molotov Cocktails onto a synagogue in Monpelye. 5 more suspects were arrested.
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MOBIUS
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Prifysgol Caerdydd
Dec 1999
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I knew the IDF was into killing defenceless children such as the one caught on video at the beginning of the Intifada (apparently new Israeli tactics are to kill journalists to stop them filming the evidence, as at least 3 have been killed by the IDF in recent weeks!!!)
Now AMBULANCES ARE FAIR GAME!!! 
Check the story out on B'Tselem's site, as well as the many other atrocities being committed against the Palestinians...
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Over the past two weeks (28 February - 13 March), the intentional attacks on medical teams and the prevention of medical teams from treating the sick and wounded have been almost unprecedented. IDF soldiers have fired at ambulances, killing five Palestinian medical personnel who were on duty, wounded several members of ambulance medical teams, and damaging the ambulances. In addition, the IDF prevented medical treatment to the sick and wounded, even leaving people to bleed to death. Hospitals have been unable to function because of the damage to the electricity, water, and telephone infrastructure, and the blocking of access to some of them. As a result, the hospitals are unable to receive the wounded and sick, or obtain food and medicine. |
B'Tselem is an Israeli human rights organisation!
Here's another human rights story from the BBC
Remember, whatever the Palestinians are doing - the Israelis are doing four times worse. At least that's how the casualty figures read...
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
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Bomb found in Red Crescent ambulance Friday, March 29, 2002 Nisan 16, 5762 Israel Time: 13:21 (GMT+2)
By Amos Harel, Amira Hass and Yosef Algazy , HA-ARETZ
A Palestinian ambulance was found carrying a bomb near Jerusalem on Friday. The bomb was hidden under a gurney on which a sick Palestinian child was lying. The driver confessed that these was not the first time that ambulances had been used to carry bombs.
The bomb was taken out of the ambulance and detonated in the presence of representatives of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC). "The ICRC understands the security concerns of the Israeli authorities and has always acknowledged their right to check ambulances, provided it does not unduly delay medical evacuations," the ICRC said in a statement on Friday. The Red Crescent expressed shock at the incident, and said they had started an internal investigation.
According to the Israel Defense Forces, the driver, Islam Jibril, 31, who was already on the IDF's blacklist, confessed to have tried to smuggle in the bomb. He admitted both that this was not the first time that an ambulance was used to transfer terrorists and bombs, and that Red Crescent workers are sent on terror missions, a charge that until now the Red Cross and Red Crescent have forcefully rejected.
Jibril said the bomb - configured as a belt to be worn by a suicide bomber - was given to him by Mahmoud Titi of the Al Aqsa Brigades. Sources in Nablus, affiliated with Titi, told Ha'aretz yesterday that they do not transfer weapons through IDF checkpoints and do not use ambulances, because checks at the checkpoints, and especially those of ambulances, are thorough.
Apparently, the ambulance, on its way from Nablus to Ramallah, went through four other checkpoints before the bomb was uncovered. Jibril was driving his sister-in-law and her three little children - one very sick. A physician, Dr. Rassan Hamdan, was sitting with the driver in front. According to Hamdan, soldiers searched the ambulance at the Hawara checkpoint outside Nablus, but did not check the IDs of the passengers or the driver. The ambulance then went through three other checkpoints, uninterrupted.
"A jeep suddenly sped scarily toward us, and signaled to us with its headlights. The soldiers got off the jeep and started shooting in the air. We stopped, and they shouted at us in Hebrew to get out of the vehicle," Hamdan said. The IDF reserve soldier who stopped the ambulance said that he became suspicious because the ambulance was driving very fast, but did not turn on the siren. When the ambulance did not stop despite the signals, the soldiers fired shots in the air, he told Ha'aretz.
Two or three hours later Hamdan, the woman and the three children were allowed to return to Ramallah.
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of Ice Cream
Mar 2000
time: 23:18
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...or did they?
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U.S. Eases Demand for Israel Pullout
_____Special Report_____
By Barry Schweid
AP Diplomatic Writer
Friday, April 5, 2002; 4:37 PM
WASHINGTON –– The White House eased back Friday from President Bush's demand that Israel immediately begin to pull its forces out Palestinian-held areas of the West Bank.
As Israeli tanks, attack helicopters and troops advanced against Palestinian militia, Fleischer said Israel needed time to digest what Bush expects of it.
"Major events don't necessarily happen overnight," Fleischer told reporters traveling with Bush in Texas. Still, he said, "the president expects results, and he expects them as soon as possible."
Secretary of State Colin Powell will leave for the region Sunday night and has no plans to meet with Yasser Arafat, Fleischer said without elaboration.
Powell's short-term goal is a cease-fire to stop the bloodletting.
His long-term goal is to start Israel and the Palestinians on a peacemaking track.
Both goals are elusive. Powell is on the spot, as are the two principal players in the region: Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel and Arafat, leader of the Palestinian Authority.
Even if he is being granted some time, Sharon is under pressure from Bush to withdraw Israeli troops from Palestinian-held cities "without delay."
But on Friday, Israeli tanks moved into more Palestinian territory and attack helicopters battled hundreds of Palestinian gunmen in Nablus, the largest city on the West Bank, and in refugee camps.
Bush's demand was unconditional. But Israeli Defense Minister Binyamin ben-Eliezer said Thursday that unless the Palestinians cooperate with the United States to reach a cease-fire "Israel will continue its efforts to stop terror."
Equally on the spot, Arafat is under Bush pressure to confront terror and deal with it. And it could be his last chance to be treated by the administration as the leader of the Palestinians.
Powell consistently has argued the United States and Israel must deal with Arafat as the Palestinians' choice. Even the exile threatened by Sharon would not change that, Powell said this week.
His appears to be a lone voice at the top level of the U.S. government.
Vice President **** Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld both have urged Bush to suspend relations with Arafat. And Bush, rapidly losing patience, accused Arafat of betraying his people's hopes for nationhood by failing to oppose terrorists.
A cease-fire, the short-term goal, has eluded the intensive efforts of Anthony Zinni, the U.S. mediator who has met repeatedly with both sides in three separate missions to the region.
Powell intends to take over that chore while he is in the Middle East, with Zinni at his side, working for a breakthrough. It would then be Zinni's job to put the pieces together.
On Friday, Zinni called on Arafat, who is penned into his office in Ramallah by Israeli tanks, and told him "to take decisive action to end the violence," Philip Reeker, the deputy State Department spokesman, said.
The long-term goal, prodding Israel and the Palestinians toward peacemaking, is probably even more difficult.
Sharon is dead-set against peacemaking while Israel is under attack. The Bush administration has shifted gears, though.
Powell agreed with the prime minister on his trip to the region last June that there must be a period of calm before peacemaking could begin.
But with the European allies and Arab leaders demanding the Bush administration jump in, Bush has charged Powell with working on a 35-year-old U.N. blueprint: Israel should relinquish the land the Arabs lost in the 1967 war in exchange for peace and security.
On Friday, the U.N. Security Council backed Powell's mission with a resolution that demands Israel withdraw its troops "without delay." Last Saturday, the Council also called for a pullout and for Israel and the Palestinians to "move immediately to a meaningful cease-fire."
© 2002 The Associated Press
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Again, my standing is that they never demanded an immediate withdrawal in the first place. This seems more like restating what they said yesterday so that the slower ones in the media establishment (most of them) get it right this time. Even so, it appears that some still can't get it right; for example, look at this paragraph from the above article:
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Even if he is being granted some time, Sharon is under pressure from Bush to withdraw Israeli troops from Palestinian-held cities "without delay."
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"without delay", complete with quotes, which indicate a quotation, which implies that Bush actually said this at some point. Where, exactly, did he say this?
It was said, OTOH, in the UN resolution.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:18
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I knew the IDF was into killing defenceless children such as the one caught on video at the beginning of the Intifada |
Argue with this:
Shooting Error
Post date 03.28.02 | Issue date 04.01.02
Although it happened almost a year and a half ago, who can forget twelve-year-old Muhammad al-Dura dying in his father's arms at Netzarim Crossing in the Gaza Strip, a victim of routine and intentional Israeli brutality. At least that's how French television depicted it in a video clip replayed countless times the world over. The image quickly attained iconic status, and Muhammad became the poster child for the second Palestinian intifada. (In its own narration of the clip, the Palestinian Authority spoke of the "beauty of the martyr," whose blood flows "like a waterfall.") But now a March 17 documentary aired by Germany's ARD television suggests something extraordinary: that Muhammad was killed not by Israeli soldiers, but by Palestinian gunmen, perhaps deliberately to create precisely such a photogenic martyr. The French footage, it turns out, was heavily edited--from six minutes to 50 seconds--and the French won't let anyone see the tape they didn't air. What's more, the Palestinian Authority didn't allow an autopsy on the boy and never released the bullet that killed him for outside scrutiny. ARD has done its own forensic investigation, however, and concluded that the shot that entered Muhammad's crouching body could not have come from the location where Israeli soldiers were positioned. ARD's report has been covered extensively in the German press (Die Welt headlined its article, "RICOCHETING TRUTH"). As of this writing, however, no major American newspaper or TV network--including the many that ran the original footage of Muhammad's death--has mentioned it.
http://www.thenewrepublic.com/doc.m...k040102shooting
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:18
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Syria evacuates troops from Israeli border
The goal is to reduce the possible damage from an Israeli retaliation to the Hizballah attacks.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:18
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http://presscenter.ru/index.php?subj=0&ch=2&id=150511
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À òåïåðü... Âðóò. Ïðîñòî âðóò. Èòàëüÿíñêèé (êóäà óæ íåçàâèñèìåå) æóðíàëèñò çâîíèò èç Õðàìà Ðîæäåñòâà Õðèñòîâà è ãîâîðèò î òîì, ÷òî Âåëè÷àéøàÿ Ñâÿòûíÿ çàõâà÷åíà âîîðóæåííûìè ïàëåñòèíñêèìè áàíäèòàìè, îíè îñêâåðíÿþò Õðàì, à ðóññêèå ñâÿùåíèêè è ðîññèéñêèå ïîëèòèêè îñóæäàþò... Èçðàèëü.
Íà âåñü ìèð ïðîäóäåëè î òîì, ÷òî êàòîëè÷åñêèé ñâÿùåííèê ïîãèá ïîä îãíåì èçðàèëüñêèõ òàíêîâ, à îí çâîíèò â Âàòèêàí è ãîâîðèò, ÷òî âïîëíå æèâ, çäîðîâ, ÷åãî è Ïàïå æåëàåò...
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Translation:
And now... lying. Simply lying. An Italian (much more independant) journalist called from the Nativity Church and said, that the holies of holies is captured by armed Palestinian bandits, they are desecrating the church, but Russian clergy and politicians are blaming... Israel.
To the whole world they cried out that a Catholic priest was killed from Israeli tank faire, but the priest telephones Vatican and informs them, that he is fully alive and well, which he wishes for the Pope...
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
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Was that a news item, Siro?
The enws you post are full of discussion, therefoer it would be silly if we were not allowed to post comments about them. Either you remove that "no discussion" remark or you post objective news items that don't contain the word "lies" thousands of times in a 500 words article.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
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How can you misreport news as a camera man in a crisis region? By misrecording events?
Your language is getting 1984-esque. BTW, our news say that NO journalists are allowed to get in there, not only Palestinians.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:18
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Yasser Abed Rabo : 30 Palestinians were killed in battles in Jenin
Damn. 10:1 ratio is a complete failure.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:18
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Originally posted by Ecthelion
How can you misreport news as a camera man in a crisis region? By misrecording events? |
Yes.
By recording only part of what's hapenning.
Such as, recording Israelis shoot, but not recording the palestinians who shot first, and then recording children throwing stones, to make the viewer think it's the target.
Furthermore, read the article about Muhamad Al-durah, a 5 minute tape was cut to 50 seconds....
Even BBC admitted in one report that they are prevented from showing the Palestinians armed men, since they threatened to kill them if they do.
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Your language is getting 1984-esque. BTW, our news say that NO journalists are allowed to get in there, not only Palestinians. |
That's because we actually do not want to take responsability for journalists getting shot. We are having gun battles there. They are nosing in and could get shot.
And most news companies hire local palestinians as freelance camera men.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
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1. Since when are journalists not allowed to enter a region of crisis when they might be endangered. To be a foreign journalist in the middle east or so has always been a dangerous job, how is the Israeli government responsible for foreign journalists?
2. Do you make us see the whole picture or only ztell us a part of what is happening? Eh? Eli, you just mentioned 30 people were killed in Jenin. N-tv.de, a German news site that happens to be sisters with CNN, reports about that arab summit. Apparently, they claim that the IDF is responsible for massacres in Jenin, attacks houses of families (with families in them that is) etc. If YOU would post more then only a part of what's happening, then you'd not only post the claims of your people but also theirs. No I can't demand you to do that, but the Israeli government can't tell Palestinian journalists what to record and what not. And the fact you have 2 excuses for journalists not being let into the region is making me suspicious, especially since I had to pull them out of your nose...
To put it short: it's all lies [/Siro]
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:18
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OK, that looks very controversial indeed - get me a link to something other than this 'New Republic' site (i.e. something well known and respected) and I might give this some further consideration... |
NEWS REPUBLIC didn't make the research - ARD did.
This was covered by Israeli networks too. I can try and find it on Jerusalem Post.
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War is only fought because both sides feel that they can ultimately win... |
Exactly.
Once the palestinians udnerstand that
a) terror won't lead them anywhere
b) there is no way they will cancel israel
they will be able to sign an agreement with israel.
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Personally my sympathy is with the Palestinians for historic and humanitarian reasons - I want to see them reach back to the 1948 borders, that is all I think they can realistically achieve although they are entitled to the original UN mandated lands... |
They themselves refused the UN partition, not to mention it wasn't binding, as chegitz reminded.
On 1947 they refused the partition and started war. Now they lost it and saying "We're sorry, let's pretend we didn't start a war and go back to 1948 borders"?
They chose to fight - they gotta live with the results.
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If they still cause grief, then Israel can pound them into dust for all I care! |
Please read my posts on a thread titled "Did Barak's offer..." by LOTM.
They are using the peace agreement as a stage to get a one palestinian state:
1) 1967 borders agreement
2) pushing for 1947 borders agreement
3) right of return - Israeli majority is palestinian
4) Israeli majority votes to cancel israel and create a unified palestine
and the anticipated
5) jews are being attacked and persecuted, just like in all arab states, and just like they did since 1929 to this day.
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The whole bitter irony is that IMO if it weren't for the Israeli and US elections, things might have been sorted out - the Barak government just ran out of time! |
Who caused it to ran out of time?
Arafat - the intifada.
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Who knows, maybe with the Intifada ended - there might not have been a 911...? |
911 was caused by ingoring terror.
Appeasement is always wrong. Hitler's germany should have taught you that.
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Sirotnikov
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<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Ecthelion
1. Since when are journalists not allowed to enter a region of crisis when they might be endangered. To be a foreign journalist in the middle east or so has always been a dangerous job, how is the Israeli government responsible for foreign journalists?[/quoted]
When in combat, a soldier must assume that the big black thing pointed at him is an RPG, not a camera.
Furthermore, many journalists have been caught in the crossfire, but the palestinians always claim Israelis shot them, and that is what gets shown.
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2. Do you make us see the whole picture or only ztell us a part of what is happening? |
I try to show you more or less the whole picture, but I do not rely on palestinain statements when they can't be proven. They tend to lie.
They claimed we killed a priest when we didn't. They claim we attacked the church for dozens of times in the last 48 hours, when we didn't.
I've heard them say we take parts of their children and use them as spare parts.
What else?
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Eh? Eli, you just mentioned 30 people were killed in Jenin. N-tv.de, a German news site that happens to be sisters with CNN, reports about that arab summit. Apparently, they claim that the IDF is responsible for massacres in Jenin, attacks houses of families (with families in them that is) etc. |
We are going from home to home and seeking out armed men.
The fact that there are 30 dead doesn't mean it's a massacare.
Most of those 30 dead were armed gunmen. Some, innocent people who happenned to be caught in the fire or misidentified.
It happens in a war. I remind you America lost several soldiers from friendly fire. You can't say they "targeted" them.
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If YOU would post more then only a part of what's happening, then you'd not only post the claims of your people but also theirs. |
Their claims have no credibility. Not after they invent things.
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No I can't demand you to do that, but the Israeli government can't tell Palestinian journalists what to record and what not. |
Obviously.
But we don't want them there.
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And the fact you have 2 excuses for journalists not being let into the region is making me suspicious, especially since I had to pull them out of your nose... |
There was already discussions about it.
Read apolyton more often.
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