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Lincoln
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The opinions below do not necessarily reflect my views but I thought this would bring a different perspect to the issue for discussion. The writer's name is on the bottom of the article:
I find it shameful that in Italy there should be a procession of individuals dressed as suicide bombers who spew vile abuse at Israel, hold up photographs of Israeli leaders on whose foreheads they have drawn the swasitka, incite people to hate the Jews. And who, in order to see Jews once again in the extermination camps, in the gas chambers, in the ovens of Dachau and Mauthausen and Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen et cetera, would sell their own mother to a harem.
I find it shameful that the Catholic Church should permit a bishop, one with lodgings in the Vatican no less, a saintly man who was found in Jerusalem with an arsenal of arms and explosives hidden in the secret compartments of his sacred Mercedes, to participate in that procession and plant himself in front of a microphone to thank in the name of God the suicide bombers who massacre the Jews in pizzerias and supermarkets. To call them "martyrs who go to their deaths as to a party."
I find it shameful that in France, the France of Liberty-Equality-Fraternity, they burn synagogues, terrorize Jews, profane their cemeteries. I find it shameful that the youth of Holland and Germany and Denmark flaunt the kaffiah just as Mussolini's avant garde used to flaunt the club and the fascist badge. I find it shameful that in nearly all the universities of Europe Palestinian students sponsor and nurture anti-semitism. That in Sweden they asked that the Nobel Peace Prize given to Shimon Peres in 1994 be taken back and conferred on the dove with the olive branch in his mouth, that is on Arafat. I find it shameful that the distinguished members of the Committee, a Committee that (it would appear) rewards political color rather than merit, should take this request into consideration and even respond to it. In hell the Nobel Prize honors he who does not receive it.
I find it shameful (we're back in Italy) that state-run television stations contribute to the resurgent antisemitism, crying only over Palestinian deaths while playing down Israeli deaths, glossing over them in unwilling tones. I find it shameful that in their debates they host with much deference the scoundrels with turban or kaffiah who yesterday sang hymns to the slaughter at New York and today sing hymns to the slaughters at Jerusalem, at Haifa, at Netanya, at Tel Aviv. I find it shameful that the press does the same, that it is indignant because Israeli tanks surround the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, that it is not indignant because inside that same church two hundred Palestinian terrorists well armed with machine guns and munitions and explosives (among them are various leaders of Hamas and Al-Aqsa) are not unwelcome guests of the monks (who then accept bottles of mineral water and jars of honey from the soldiers of those tanks). I find it shameful that, in giving the number of Israelis killed since the beginning of the Second Intifada (four hundred twelve), a noted daily newspaper found it appropriate to underline in capital letters that more people are killed in their traffic accidents. (Six hundred a year).
I find it shameful that the Roman Observer, the newspaper of the Pope--a Pope who not long ago left in the Wailing Wall a letter of apology for the Jews--accuses of extermination a people who were exterminated in the millions by Christians. By Europeans. I find it shameful that this newspaper denies to the survivors of that people (survivors who still have numbers tattooed on their arms) the right to react, to defend themselves, to not be exterminated again. I find it shameful that in the name of Jesus Christ (a Jew without whom they would all be unemployed), the priests of our parishes or Social Centers or whatever they are flirt with the assassins of those in Jerusalem who cannot go to eat a pizza or buy some eggs without being blown up. I find it shameful that they are on the side of the very ones who inaugurated terrorism, killing us on airplanes, in airports, at the Olympics, and who today entertain themselves by killing western journalists. By shooting them, abducting them, cutting their throats, decapitating them.
(There's someone in Italy who, since the appearance of Anger and Pride, would like to do the same to me. Citing verses of the Koran he exorts his "brothers" in the mosques and the Islamic Community to chastise me in the name of Allah. To kill me. Or rather to die with me. Since he's someone who speaks English well, I'll respond to him in English: "---- you.")
I find it shameful that almost all of the left, the left that twenty years ago permitted one of its union processionals to deposit a coffin (as a mafioso warning) in front of the synagogue of Rome, forgets the contribution made by the Jews to the fight against fascism. Made by Carlo and Nello Rossini, for example, by Leone Ginzburg, by Umberto Terracini, by Leo Valiani, by Emilio Sereni, by women like my friend Anna Maria Enriques Agnoletti who was shot at Florence on June 12, 1944, by seventy-five of the three-hundred-thirty-five people killed at the Fosse Ardeatine, by the infinite others killed under torture or in combat or before firing squads. (The companions, the teachers, of my infancy and my youth.)
I find it shameful that in part through the fault of the left--or rather, primarily through the fault of the left (think of the left that inaugurates its congresses applauding the representative of the PLO, leader in Italy of the Palestinians who want the destruction of Israel)--Jews in Italian cities are once again afraid. And in French cities and Dutch cities and Danish cities and German cities, it is the same. I find it shameful that Jews tremble at the passage of the scoundrels dressed like suicide bombers just as they trembled during Krystallnacht, the night in which Hitler gave free rein to the Hunt of the Jews.
I find it shameful that in obedience to the stupid, vile, dishonest, and for them extremely advantageous fashion of Political Correctness the usual opportunists--or better the usual parasites--exploit the word Peace. That in the name of the word Peace, by now more debauched than the words Love and Humanity, they absolve one side alone of its hate and bestiality. That in the name of a pacifism (read conformism) delegated to the singing crickets and buffoons who used to lick Pol Pot's feet they incite people who are confused or ingenuous or intimidated. Trick them, corrupt them, carry them back a half century to the time of the yellow star on the coat. These charlatans who care about the Palestinians as much as I care about the charlatans. That is not at all.
I find it shameful that many Italians and many Europeans have chosen as their standard-bearer the gentleman (or so it is polite to say) Arafat. This nonentity who thanks to the money of the Saudi Royal Family plays the Mussolini ad perpetuum and in his megalomania believes he will pass into History as the George Washington of Palestine. This ungrammatical wretch who when I interviewed him was unable even to put together a complete sentence, to make articulate conversation. So that to put it all together, write it, publish it, cost me a tremendous effort and I concluded that compared to him even Ghaddafi sounds like Leonardo da Vinci.
This false warrior who always goes around in uniform like Pinochet, never putting on civilian garb, and yet despite this has never participated in a battle. War is something he sends, has always sent, others to do for him. That is, the poor souls who believe in him. This pompous incompetent who playing the part of Head of State caused the failure of the Camp David negotiations, Clinton's mediation. No-no-I-want-Jerusalem-all-to-myself. This eternal liar who has a flash of sincerity only when (in private) he denies Israel's right to exist, and who as I say in my book contradicts himself every five minutes. He always plays the double-cross, lies even if you ask him what time it is, so that you can never trust him. Never! With him you will always wind up systematically betrayed.
This eternal terrorist who knows only how to be a terrorist (while keeping himself safe) and who during the Seventies, that is when I interviewed him, even trained the terrorists of Baader-Meinhof. With them, children ten years of age. Poor children. (Now he trains them to become suicide bombers. A hundred baby suicide bombers are in the works: a hundred!).
This weathercock who keeps his wife at Paris, served and revered like a queen, and keeps his people down in the ****. He takes them out of the **** only to send them to die, to kill and to die, like the eighteen year old girls who in order to earn equality with men have to strap on explosives and disintegrate with their victims. And yet many Italians love him, yes. Just like they loved Mussolini. And many other Europeans do the same.
I find it shameful and see in all this the rise of a new fascism, a new nazism. A fascism, a nazism, that much more grim and revolting because it is conducted and nourished by those who hypocritically pose as do-gooders, progressives, communists, pacifists, Catholics or rather Christians, and who have the gall to label a warmonger anyone like me who screams the truth.
I see it, yes, and I say the following. I have never been tender with the tragic and Shakespearean figure Sharon. ("I know you've come to add another scalp to your necklace," he murmured almost with sadness when I went to interview him in 1982.) I have often had disagreements with the Israelis, ugly ones, and in the past I have defended the Palestinians a great deal. Maybe more than they deserved. But I stand with Israel, I stand with the Jews.
I stand just as I stood as a young girl during the time when I fought with them, and when the Anna Marias were shot. I defend their right to exist, to defend themselves, to not let themselves be exterminated a second time. And disgusted by the antisemitism of many Italians, of many Europeans, I am ashamed of this shame that dishonors my Country and Europe. At best, it is not a community of States, but a pit of Pontius Pilates. And even if all the inhabitants of this planet were to think otherwise, I would continue to think so.
© Oriana Fallaci, Panorama, Corriere Della Sera, 12 April 2002
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Well is there any validity to his assertions?
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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What I *ALSO* find shameful is Jews using the Holocaust as a means to avoid valid criticism, especially from Europe. Let's not forget Israel isn't perfect, regardless of which side you take.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
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At this point I want to advertise the first line in my sig and draw your attention to the poster called Transcend.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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quote:
If anyone who criticises Israel is an antisemite, then the Allied firebombing of Dresden is of course fully right and justified. Calling it anything other than that would make you a anti-democracy Nazi sympathiser. |
I fully agree.
And speaking of firebombing civilians, it's hypocritical that we try people like Milosevic for crimes against humanity, while people who were responsible for similiar amounts of civilian death, such as former US Gen. Curtis LeMay, are held as heroes.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:19
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What did LeMay do? Carpet bomb Baghdad?
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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What did LeMay do? Carpet bomb Baghdad? |
No, he was the commander of the 29th Bomb Group who was directly responsible for the use of mass incendiary weapons (predecessors to napalm) on every major Japanese city.
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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
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Lincoln :
AT first, I thought it was you who were writing this. At the beginning of the post -about the antisemitic actions in Europe, such as burning synagogues-, I thought : "It's dreadful to recieve lessonns from Americans, but he's right".
But, as the article goes on, it doesn't rightly condemn the obviously antisemitic actions, it does condemn Arafat, and takes any criticism on Israel or the Jews as antisemitism. I'm sorry, but saying "Sharon is extremely dangerous for his country and the region stability" is not an antisemitic statement, while burning a synagogue is.
Although the article starts well, it has then an extremely dangerous trend many Jews use : as they were victims of the holocaust, they have every right, we have to forgive whatever they do. This kind of thinking is called "victimization" : as you suffered from something in the past, you refuse any negative responsiblity for something you do in the present. Very childish actually.
Secondly, this article is simplistic about the hate against Arafat : he's presented as the biggest culprit of the war in Israel, which is obviously wrong : the war has a shared responsiblity, and Arafat is one of the culprits, as Sharon is, as Barak's unableness was, as muslim extremists are (for the record : the fundamentalist Hamas, which signs most terrorism is not bound with the political movement of liberation which is the PLO), as jewish extremists are and so on. Any reasonable person will understand this hate against Arafat only is either pure stupidity or pure lies.
At last, the article is dreadly one sided. I suppose the Israeli live in fear each time they're in the bus. But only paranoids among Europeans Jews are really afraid whenever they leave home : I'm a Jewish currently in Paris, I know a bunch of other Jews here, and they still live normally (I'm not forgiving the antisemitic actions here in Europe, they're shocking... But it doesn't create a total fear, happily). The article forgets however about the daily fear of the Palestinians, which is as unbearable as the fear of the Israeli : the Palestiinians don't know if they'll still have their home at the end of the day, if they'll hve anything to feed their children, if someone in the family will be arrested or killed by the Israeli. The author forgets this essential thing : unbearable fear is present in the 2 sides of the border.
So, as a conclusion, Lincoln : this article is completely irrelevant, save for the very beginning, where the author says, we Europeans should be ashamed of the antismeitic actions on our territory
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:19
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The End of Innocence, maybe?
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Lincoln
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"So, as a conclusion, Lincoln : this article is completely irrelevant, save for the very beginning, where the author says, we Europeans should be ashamed of the antismeitic actions on our territory"
I don't know if I would use the word "completely" but of course it is exaggerated. I think that the true antisemetism that exists still in Europe and elsewhere is something that need to be taken seriously. Burning synogues is inexcusable, especially in areas that are far from the middle east conflict. If Europe has learned anything from the past then they need to firmly renounce this and prosecute the offenders.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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I think that the true antisemetism that exists still in Europe and elsewhere is something that need to be taken seriously. |
Propose a solution. Do you advocate banning anti-semitism?
Burning synagogues is already a crime - arson. Let's not bring "thought crime" into this.
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Lincoln
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The author of the article is a European.
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Lincoln
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"You can´t say Europe in general is antisemitic because of criminal actions of certain individuals..."
That's true
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Lincoln
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"People who burn down synagogues aren't being prosecuted? "
Who said that? I was just implying that there needs to be firm prosecution. I probably should have said that this needs to be taken seriously and not passed off as simply normal crime that is routinely prosecuted. There is clearly a trend developing and it need to be nipped in the bud. Basically I agree with Dino Doc.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:19
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Originally posted by Lincoln
There is clearly a trend developing and it need to be nipped in the bud. |
Bullcrap.
Now let me dig up DD's post, I'm sure it must be full of sh!t.
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21-04-2002 03:50
It's just ludicrous how an American tries to tell me what I think and which people I hate based on their ethnicity 
That'll be the day, a "middle-class" yank telling me what life is like over here...
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