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Libertarians aren't on the left  . Most Libs I know voted for Bush over Gore in 2000 (if faced with only voting for those two).
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By definition they are. Libertarians want to change the system to institute more freedom. This would be a radically different change that has not occured before. Hence, on the left. They might have voted for Bush because they agree with him on other issues. Libertarians, in general, tend to be pro-life and fiscally conservative. But overall, their basic beliefs put them on the left.
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I don't think we're in Brønshøj anymore
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You can't be left wing without some kind of social conciousness and belief in equality and libertarians have neither. And they're actually regressive, not progressive. Why else would they then focus so much on constitutional rights?
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Originally posted by Monk
You can't be left wing without some kind of social conciousness and belief in equality and libertarians have neither. And they're actually regressive, not progressive. Why else would they then focus so much on constitutional rights? |
Again, that's a gray area, they aren't fully left, or fully right, but they definitely aren't moderate. Because their wanted changes would mean an extreme change in the system, they are classified as radical (left).
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I think most libertarians would disagree with you, though some definately would agree with you. Chalk it up to an argument in favor of their political square. |
I'm speaking about libertarian ideology, not people who consider themselves libertarian. Just like all you commies separate Stalin and Maoists from Marx.
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Ideologically you may be correct, depending on the flavor of libertariainism. I would say that more correctly, they are all over the map. |
Yeah, my conclusion was based on the "choose one side" idea. I can't put them in the middle because they aren't moderate by any means  .
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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Originally posted by Kropotkin
Since you quoted me I thought it might have been implied.
And I said that their might be a couple of links here and their but that the importance those shouldn't be overestimated. You claim that there's a cooperation on a global scale (ie a conspiracy just like that one between the commies, ZOG and the rest of the jews  ).
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I said I don't believe that they're like in full cooperation.
What I do think is that the thought of close cooperation is not outrageous to both groups, and both have done so numerous time around the world.
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I never said it was impossible. I said that a long term strategic alliance between a bulk of far right wing groups and Islamic fundamentalism seems highly unlikely. They do share a commun grudge against Jews and the political establishment in Europe and the US.
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also against communism. As it is a jewish plot , yada yada yada.
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Surely they can work with the concept that my enemies enemy is my friend and thus make tactical alliances and share information but that's a quite far from a global alliance. We must remember that the far right is a very fragmented movement (some of their parties consists of one or a handful of persons), they can hardly unite with their own so I can't see why they should be able to get along with Islamists. |
well if they weren't fragmented I'd get a gun permit.
but this is what mainly kept the aliances in WWI ( no ideology whatsoever, simple greed) , and WWII ( stalin working with capitalism ), but still , you won't call those minor clashes. So this shouldn't be ignored.
che : I am not familiar . but the is also another example (similar , at least , of arabs and Nazis cooperating ):
a Nazi criminal is still taking refuge in Damascus. He was Assad Sr.'s advisor for many years.
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None of your Goddamned business
Nov 2001
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Originally posted by Dalgetti
are you sure they were lefties? or were they just .. muslims?
you know , those checkered scarfs can be confusing. |
Nope, the Muslims had enough sense to lie low. These were your run of the mill, purple haired, Buddy Holly glases wearing, spoiled rich, out of touch, white boy, godless, American Communist. You see, here in the U.S. most leftists are middle class or above. I am the poor son of a steelworker. I am right wing, so is my father, and so are the other people that he works with in the factory. If they saw the communists here supporting labor, the workers would just laugh at them, because the students have no notion of what it is to be a working man or to be poor.
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