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Nazis and the right wing share many of the same ideas, it wasn't a bad comparison. It's just that not all of America is right wing.
IMO John Ashcroft would fit right in with the SS.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
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It absolutely doesn't matter whether or not Nazis are pro US or not. As a matter of fact, people wearing those scarves are lefties, and no German Nazi would ever do that!
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It's funny you make the comparison between Islam and Nazism. One of Hitler's plans was to unite Japan and Germany through a land link in the Middle East. Germany supported the Albanians (Muslim) against the Serbs. Germany also supported Egypt (Muslim) against Britain in North Africa.
Muslims and Nazis are both ultra-conservatives. It's ironic how things get better the closer to the right you get.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:19
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Originally posted by Sava
Nazis and the right wing share many of the same ideas, it wasn't a bad comparison. It's just that not all of America is right wing. |
That's the idea of it.
And I agree with Provost.
You see? Lefties - anti US. Righties - pro US.
While I'm not "anti US" and Nazis are not "right" in the classical sense, the scheme applies.
Our foreign minister used to be a street leftie and is now confronted with his past. BTW, I find it a shame how BeBro can actually speak against my points, he should know what's going on here as well as me. And I find it a laugh how Dal tries to tell me what's going on here. Say Dal, what am I thinking right now? Are you sure you don't know it better than I do?
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
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Originally posted by BeBro
Not correct in this generalization. I can´t believe that you simply ignore the given example (Mahler, NPD), it was extensively covered in German media too. And I have also personal experiences with neonazis here... |
You're absolutely missing the point. I was saying that INTENTIONALLY as a very simple generalization. Do you think I don't know that doesn't apply for German nazis? could you please read the next line in that post as well? And then, what do you know? You apparently have never seen a bunch of anarchos wwearing pali headscarves. What a laugh!
Ecthy's list of stupid people telling him what his life is like := same list + BeBro
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Originally posted by Ecthelion
That's the idea of it.
And I agree with Provost.
You see? Lefties - anti US. Righties - pro US.
While I'm not "anti US" and Nazis are not "right" in the classical sense, the scheme applies.
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That's very stereotypical. Most lefties are pro-US. Republican (right wing) propaganda has you believing lefty = anti US, righty = pro US.
In reality:
lefty = pro better US
righty = pro US the way it was when our pappies ran things
But you also must know that all lefties and righties alike don't share the same views. Communists, Black Panthers, Green Peace, Libertarians, and Democrats are all lefties, yet they rarely agree on most issues. Likewise, Republicans(US), Fascists (Nazis), Islamic Fundamentalists, and KKK(Aryan Nation) are righties and don't share the same ideas.
If you compare overall what the left wants and what the right wants, you can see why conservatives prevent progress. The very definition of conservative states that conservatives want to either keep the status quo, or return things to the way they used to be.
Since the world is perfect, constant change is needed to get closer to perfection, so keeping the status quo is bad. Likewise, things in the past were worse, so reverting to that state is bad. All in all, the right is bad. It just depends on the degree of negativity that you want. In the best case scenario, you will get a righty that wants to keep the status quo.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
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The "pali sacrves thing" as you call it is one of his examples for the huge amount of German Neo Nazis burning US flags and taking side with ultra terrorists that only want to kill people for a laugh. Something like that is called a "fact argument", and if it is wrong, and the same wrongfulness of the argument is based on the stupidity and superficial estimation of the author, then you can forget the whole article.
If anything is amusing, then it's that article, his author, and Apolyton posters that try to bend the truth to make the article appear glorious. Dalgetti is just being one of the paranoid ones that need to see anti-semitism and parallels between Nazis (ultimate evil) and their current enemies at war (palestinians, or muslims as a general foe image for some parts of western culture), thus justifying any act of war against innocents. And if such a logic is based on the silliest of all "observations", then I just can't take it seriously.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:19
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Originally posted by Sava
That's very stereotypical. Most lefties are pro-US. Republican (right wing) propaganda has you believing lefty = anti US, righty = pro US.
In reality:
lefty = pro better US
righty = pro US the way it was when our pappies ran things
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I'm talking about German teens on the street, not fat Americans in their homes. You will find that the left-wing movement on the street has been pretty active from '68 on, and their positions are anti-Us most of the times. That is because by 'lefties' us Europeans mostly refer to socialists, not liberals. Just a cultural misunderstanding in this case.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:19
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Originally posted by Natan
Ecthelion, I think you need to get out of the house and observe some neo-Nazis in Kaffiyas. It would do you good. |
Well what is a kaffiyah?
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:19
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I'm doing a google image search for a pic of street lefties in Germany now. And i then you honestly try to explain me why they're Neo Nazis, I'll stop it and not think you're stupid anymore. Then I'll know it.
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of the Krauts
Mar 2000
time: 06:19
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Originally posted by Ecthelion
The "pali sacrves thing" as you call it is one of his examples for the huge amount of German Neo Nazis burning US flags and taking side with ultra terrorists that only want to kill people for a laugh. Something like that is called a "fact argument", and if it is wrong, and the same wrongfulness of the argument is based on the stupidity and superficial estimation of the author, then you can forget the whole article. |
BS. He made an error, yes. That does not mean all he said is wrong.
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If anything is amusing, then it's that article, his author, and Apolyton posters that try to bend the truth to make the article appear glorious. Dalgetti is just being one of the paranoid ones that need to see anti-semitism and parallels between Nazis (ultimate evil) and their current enemies at war (palestinians, or muslims as a general foe image for some parts of western culture), thus justifying any act of war against innocents. And if such a logic is based on the silliest of all "observations", then I just can't take it seriously. |
Well, fine, if you know everything, why don´t you enlighten us poor Apolyton posters about what´s going on in the world?
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21-04-2002 19:14
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) and therefore pro-US, but what the heck 
.... Nazis... pro US...
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