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Originally posted by faded glory
Yes, but a particular DL secret is still on the lose.He is very older...I only use him in a blue moon. And I wont blow his cover. Yet.
I am not anyone else on this thread.If thats what your thinking. The answer is no. |
No, it was on the thread about the Canadian kid not being able to bring his boyfriend to the prom. Confess! Or it's the comfy chair for you!
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Guynemer
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Originally posted by monkspider
I agree, even though his views may be dangerous/unsophisticated by nearly any standards, I think it would be in the grand leftist tradition to at least allow the lad to express his views in a civil manner.
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True enough. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
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It's a little bit of both for me. His views are just too... myopic for me. I give the same **** to the extremist lefties too, when they make statements as outrageous.
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gopher
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I eat my own poop
Dec 1999
time: 00:19
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Originally posted by monkspider
it's not a matter of views, there are plenty of respectable rightists on this board. It's simply a matter of the uncivil manner in which he behaved that had us a tad flustered. |
Really? I thought he was being a very polite poster in comparison to patakis and such.
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gopher
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I eat my own poop
Dec 1999
time: 00:19
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Damn, beat me to it.
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:19
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I'd like to calm the fears of many here about Le Pen and it's irresistible rise to power...
First, his good results come mostly from the very high confidence of the Jospin team, which was sure to be on the second round... After all, all the media announced this since 6 months. Hence a "useless" first round, when you seemingly could vote for sympathetic candidates or remain on vacation (Sunday was in the middle of the vacation for Parisian children).
Second, Le Pen, in absolute numbers, doesn't have significantly more voices than before. Its progression is not as obvious as it seems.
Third, there will probably be a major awakening for the second round, every party except one leftist one said the French must vote Chirac at the second turn. It is highly probable Chirac will win with 80% or so. Still, I say we French must vote for Chirac without thinking it's already won... We just witnessed how horrible this way of thinking is : it allowed Le Pen at the second round.
Four : about Le Pen being an imaginable Premier (I forgot who wrote that) : it's currently not possible because of the designation of the PM in France : he has to recieve the "confidence" of the parliament, which is elected locally. A government party must have many small zones of control to have representatives at the Parliament. Hence, LePen had no representatives since the election is not proportional anymore (1988). Many "Republican" candidates will desist for someone else if they see a fascist is going to win in their zone, as we can see at the national level.
Five : even if he's garbage, Le Pen is human, and gets old as any human. Even if he slowly progresses each time, he'll eventually die before rallying the majority of the French behind him. His death won't kill fascists ideas in France, but he's the only charismatic leader of the far right for now. As the far right is something for dumb, uneducated people, charisma is extremely important. The voters of Le Pen will go back to regular fascism or protestation (by voting for very-right parties or leftist parties)
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Guynemer
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Well, keep that self-deprecating sense of humor about you, and you'll fit in around here... even if you are a wacko Buchananite.
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Bereta_Eder
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nationalist,
I usually troll people in these forums to see what they're made of.
Few can veil their true self or beliefs if some pressure is put to them. You are serious and frankly one of the few "opposite thinkers" of me who answered in a polite manner even if tons of trolls are thrown to them. (which, of course as you guessed sometimes a troll hides the person's true beliefs behind it).
So let's argue.
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Originally posted by nationalist
Don't really know what your getting at here. I support the right for justice to be served. Some crimes, such as mass murder, are heinous and deserve death. I think that our justice system needs to be revamped to ensure that no one is unjustly executed, but I don't think that the American people should have this legitimate tool of justice taken from them. |
In this particualr instance I was talking about the right of your fellow citizen to live if confronted with a serious illness.
I think this is an irrevocable right. The right to medical care (and so the right to life) of everyone. I was not talking about the death penalty.
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I am not a rich man by any extent of the word. I am a college student who is joining the Army to get my tuition paid for. My dad is a steel worker. He has earned his health insurance by the sweat of his brow. He is not corrupt. He is a member of the proletariat that you socialists so dearly love. However, in America, most of the proletariat are right wing nationalists (hence my name). This is because globalization is killing American industry. |
Not only the american industry...The european and the Greek one too (what's left of it).
Still, where I come from most workers are communist, not right wing. Here the right wing is supposed to look after the interests of the rich, primarily. (oversimplistic view I give but just to get the idea).
But, essentially the workers which are communists advocate the same thing your dad's friends do. The end of globilization if it keeps destroying industries, jobs and ultimately lifes and families.
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I don't think that my dad should have to break his back to support a drug addicted alcoholic's right to recieve his fourth free liver transplant. |
That's a more than fair point. However, let's say that your dad god forbid found himself without a job for a long period of time. And he had no money to pay for medical care. Wouldn't you want to have the assurance (that every country should offer to itz citizens in my point of view) that he will not suffer or worse just because he happened to be unemployed? (and it's not his fault?)
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I take it that you don't extend this right to unborn children, even though they are genetically distinct beings. A woman has no right to kill her unborn child, and a man has no right to abandon his unborn child. That is inhumane. |
The Greek Law permits abortions up to the 3rd month. After that it still permits them but for very dire reasons.
I do not believe that a child is made untill some time has passed.
I think it is inhumane to have a child that will put him/her and its mother in misery. I think that is inhumane.
And I believe that NOONE, not a single woman wants to be got in a position where she has to have an abortion. But once she does she should be free to make her own informed decision about her and her baby. To condemn them both to misery for some obscure almost supernatural "right to live - where life doesn't even exist" sounds inhumane to me.
About underbirth (sorry for my english - not my first language) you are partially right. A recent study showed that abortions are the cause for 50% of underbirth in Greece. This is a freightenly high number. But still the causes of it are not abortions but not enough information. And the cause of underbearth are not abortions but the way of life and PRIMARELY the fact that people do not have the financial means to support large families even if they very much want to.
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I am not a racist, you do not know me, and you have no right to assume this. |
I was trolling you. But to say that arabs coming to Europe is bad or that Mexicans coming to the US is bad rang a bell 
I assume you were refering to controlling immigration though...
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:19
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So what am I made of?
Last edited by Ecthy on 23-04-2002 at 20:47
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:19
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What the frig are you guys talking about?
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