08-05-2002 05:17									#31
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First of all, you don't have to follow the WarCraft II approach to unit balancing. Imbalances are much harder to spot when unit selection is different. Second, helicopters can be attacked by land units and so you don't need

AM
Defense 0: Gold Piles
Defense 1: City Watch
Offense 0: Peasant Levies
Offense 1: Knights
Diplo: Assassin
Naval: Sub

Klatch
Defense 0: D'Regs
Offense 0: Foreign Legion
Offense 1: Flying Carpet
Diplo: Houris

Uberwald
Defense 0: City Guard
Offense 0: Dwarves
Offense 1: Werewolves
Diplo: Vampire

Carrier-pigeon Network (pre-req for next one)
Bank
Semaphore Shutters (pre-req for next one)
Stock Market
Clacks Towers (allows improvement, but what??)
Superhighway

Phoenix

What would Phoenices do?

Gods

Temples could be used as Wonders

Death 4 Horsemen

What should cause the Apocalypse?

Dragons (Wyrmberg)

Duke's Dragon Hatchery could be an improvement.

	08-05-2002 11:54									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Case Cyrion, what does your sig translate as?

Case, it's "dog latin" for "From Here I can See Your House" and it comes from... Mr T. Pratchett, of course!!

It's what General Tacticus had written on a huge statue looking towards Al Kahli in Klatch (Jingo).

Actually, "dog latin" is pretty much all I can understand from latin now: my memory isn't what it used to be...

	08-05-2002 16:29									#33
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quote: Case, it's "dog latin" for "From Here I can See Your House" and it comes from... Mr T. Pratchett, of course!!

I'm rather fond of 'Nullus Anxietas', the motto of the Australian/XXXX branch of Unseen University (I assume that it's dog latin for 'No Worries' [a favorite Australian term, especially with the people at my local petrol station])

	08-05-2002 17:42									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Case I'm rather fond of 'Nullus Anxietas', the motto of the Australian/XXXX branch of Unseen University (I assume that it's dog latin for 'No Worries' )

Oh yes, I forgot that one !!!

And it means exactly that, of course! It's sooo aussie...

Still, I don't now how I coudl translate "mate" in latin...

	09-05-2002 01:01									#35
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I'm rather fond of 'Nullus Anxietas', the motto of the Australian/XXXX branch of Unseen University (I assume that it's dog latin for 'No Worries' [a favorite Australian term, especially with the people at my local petrol station])

"Nullus Anxietas" is REAL Latin (well, except for the word order). The Pig Latin version is "o-nay orries-way".

Still, I don't now how I coudl translate "mate" in latin...

Socius? Coniunx?

	09-05-2002 03:16									#36
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Socius? Coniunx?

Oh, yes: Socius would be perfect!!
(I just found my old Latin dictionary, hidden under the dust... )

But, if my memory isn't betraying me, (and before I add it to my signature!! ) I think we can't simply write "Nullas Anxietas, Socius!". That is, in real latin!! oh, but as my signature is pig latin already, "nullas anxietas..."

	09-05-2002 03:51									#37
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Okay, first of all, I haven't read NEARLY all of the books, so don't hesitate to correct me if I'm wrong about something. I mostly prefer Leo's set of units.

Prohibitng the settlers sounds good.


Ankh-Morpork

Offense 1: Knights

Did any of the books actually mention AM having knights? I'd use Cyrion's idea and use Wizards loaded with spells for the offensive units.

Naval: Sub

Where exactly is this from?


Klatch

I liked the idea of having desert wastes as unbuildable defensive units.


What should cause the Apocalypse?

A tech in the Thoughts From The Outside category, probably. Something that also gives huge benefits to encourage the players to research it.


Any "special units" would probably be created with events.

	09-05-2002 03:58									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Xuenay Prohibitng the settlers sounds good.

Agreed

quote: Ankh-Morpork Offense 1: Knights Did any of the books actually mention AM having knights? I'd use Cyrion's idea and use Wizards loaded with spells for the offensive units.

I agree, even if it means the AI wouldn't be able to use them properly: it would mean that for SP you would have to play A-M (or make a different event helping the AI A-M!!)

quote: Naval: Sub Where exactly is this from?

Jingo

quote: Klatch I liked the idea of having desert wastes as unbuildable defensive units.

My (full) idea was to give EACH Civ a unique really strong defensive unit in it's capital!! And Desert Wastes would be the one for Klatch (and A-M $ for... A-M )

quote: What should cause the Apocalypse? A tech in the Thoughts From The Outside category, probably. Something that also gives huge benefits to encourage the players to research it.

Exactly my thought

quote: Any "special units" would probably be created with events.

Once again ( ), exactly what I had in mind!!

	10-05-2002 06:11									#39
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Offense 1: Knights

Did any of the books actually mention AM having knights? I'd use Cyrion's idea and use Wizards loaded with spells for the offensive units.

I am about to reread Jingo, but I am positive that it mentioned peasant levies and knights are a natural extension of that. How 'bout "nobles"?

	10-05-2002 06:17									#40
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In any case, it's time to start working on it. These should help:

http://aventine.cf-developer.net/mi...c/stleo_aow.gif
http://aventine.cf-developer.net/mi...stleo_homm3.gif

	10-05-2002 06:21									#41
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Mmm, Klatchalicious.

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	15-05-2002 00:13									#42
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Ugh... ISP swallowed up my first attempt at sending this.

Sorry for being quiet - been busy. End of school year tests and all that. I'll be brief, as I'm in a bit of a hurry even now.

Nobles as AM attack units sounds good to me. Your graphics look cool, Leo. A tad worried about ripped graphics distracting from the Disc feel. Must use 'em in moderation.

Not very familiar with civs other than AM, so I'll let you people choose the graphics most suitable for them. AM, if you remember, should cover more than one square (the actual city + special terrain made to look like an extension of it). Are there any suitable graphics for that somewhere?

Keep talking even while I'm gone. Easier for lazy me if you do all the planning for me and I only need to implement it. Just kidding. Probably won't go that far. But don't stop discussing this anyway.

Oh, and I'll see Attack of the Clones tomorrow. Gotta go read to a test now - see you later, folks.

	15-05-2002 00:30									#43
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Are there any suitable graphics for that somewhere?

Probably not if you are going for medieval feel. I think that has only been done for Roman- and Persian-style cities.

	15-05-2002 20:03									#44
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quote: Sorry for being quiet - been busy. End of school year tests and all that. I'll be brief, as I'm in a bit of a hurry even now.

End of school year tests?? Well, it does bring back long forgotten memories... Not the best memories from those years, though...

Have fun!!!

And don't worry: WE will keep on working on the scen...

quote: Nobles as AM attack units sounds good to me.

Now about that: I just re-read Jingo, St-Leo, and they do speak about Knights being allowed to raise Regiments to fight for the City!! The reason why I don't want to use them as the "good offensive units" for A-M is that they are supposed to just suck!!

As you are re-reading the book, you'll notice that the main pre-occupation of the regimental leaders is to have "huge casualties", on which side not being really important (can't remember how it was put exactly, but that's the way it was written...)...

Now I agree, wizards with spell-missiles would mean that A-M can't be played by the AI!!

So we have to wonder what we prefer:

- excellent playability (and good fun) for player A-M with Wizards and Spells (upgrading them via tech, which would help to make a nice tech-tree!!) BUT without the possibility of playing solo against A-M, the AI being then just ridiculous...

- good playability for ALL civs, with the offensive unit for A-M being perhaps called Wizards as well, but just having good move and offense (??), and without the special touch magic could bring...

I would prefer the first possibility, but I wouldn't need too much convincing for the second one either...

quote: Your graphics look cool, Leo. A tad worried about ripped graphics distracting from the Disc feel. Must use 'em in moderation.

I fully agree with that: the graphics look really good, but if we could use some more "typical" Discworld graphics as well, it would be nice!!

Ok, it's easy for me to say so, as I won't be the one doing those graphics... But who will???

quote: Not very familiar with civs other than AM, so I'll let you people choose the graphics most suitable for them. AM, if you remember, should cover more than one square (the actual city + special terrain made to look like an extension of it). Are there any suitable graphics for that somewhere?

As St-Leo, I haven't seen exactly suitable graphics either, even though as saw a few ones used in the same kind of situation (BTW: I agree again, we need city terrain graphics for A-M). I'll try to attach them in the following post...

quote: Oh, and I'll see Attack of the Clones tomorrow.

You're lucky, I won't have time for it before next week...

	15-05-2002 20:15									#45
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Here are the few city terrain I found in various places:

First, from Stefan Härtel FIRE AND ROSES scen:

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	15-05-2002 20:16									#46
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Still from Stefan Härtel FIRE AND ROSES scen:

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	15-05-2002 20:17									#47
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And last, from Hobbes!

I know none of those graphics are exactly what we want for Ankh-Morpork but maybe they can provide a good basis for designing what we need ??

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	17-05-2002 20:51									#48
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I admit I haven't read all the books, but it seems that the Discworld is ALWAYS in immanent danger of dissolution from one cause or another. As Pratchet puts it in one of the novels, reality is a relative term, and the Discworld is so unreal that it is always close to becoming completely unreal and ceasing to exist at all. When it's not the whole world at risk, it is often cities or kingdoms - Ankh Morpork is invaded by a conquering army of dragon (how many dragons constitute an army? One!) the mighty Agatean empire falls to barbarians and the king of Djellybabi lost his kingdom (as in literally lost; it fell into a crack as I recall.) So I would make the objective of the scenario just SURVIVING until the end, and make sure each civilization is suitably threatened so as to make that a worthy accomplishment.

Lucius Alexander

The palindromedary would be at home on the Disc I think..

	27-05-2002 18:31									#49
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No, this thread isn't dead yet...

Now I found something I was looking for and I'll start working a bit on the tech tree!!

And I asked a question in 1 of the first posts and got no answer, so I'll do it again and hope I'll be luckier this time...

My idea was about the "Neutral" cities and to make them more "Discworld-Typical"! So, I wanted each of them to build only one kind of unit, typical of the area where it was! For instance Mummies in Djelibeiby, or Witches in Lancre, etc...

And to obtain this, this is what I proposed:

"What I thought about the Neutral: if you make ALL the neutral units (and the improvements for them as well) obsolete, then the cities will have to keep on building the units they were already producing, right?? "

Is this correct?? Does it make sense?? Is there a better way to make it??

	27-05-2002 20:24									#50
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Sorry for vanishing. Anyway, I'm not sure about the obselote unit trick. Never tried it. I suppose we'll test it out.

Any more ideas for improvements/techs/wonders/units before we actually start working on the scen? Well planned is half done (or however the saying goes)...

	14-06-2002 19:23									#51
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OK, this thread isn't dead, I just haven't had much time to work on it lately!!

It should change soon, however...

In other words: BUMP!!!

	15-06-2002 04:15									#52
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"What I thought about the Neutral: if you make ALL the neutral units (and the improvements for them as well) obsolete, then the cities will have to keep on building the units they were already producing, right?

Yes, that's what Harlan did in LotR.

Is there a better way to make it?

It's either that or creating them with randomturn events.

	04-01-2003 16:42									#53
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Hi guys, just to let you know I started to work on it again...

Hopefully we'll finish it this time...

Case and St-Leo, I'll probably send you some messages soon...

And Xuenay, are you still there?

	05-01-2003 06:25									#54
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Ooooooo, I'd love to playtest this.

	24-01-2003 21:18									#55
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Just to let the interested people (do they exist? ) know that the work is in progress:

- most of the units have been chosen (that is: I chose, maybe you won't like it... )

- the graphical plundering has begun

- most of the techs, improvements and Wonders have been defined

- the main "game mechanics" have been defined as well!

Of course, it's far from being finished, and it is my first scen, I might still need some time!

But I'm sure that with the help of the 2 glorious veterans, St-Leo and Case, the result can be interesting!


And just to let you know: the version being developed is intended for PBEM too, with 5 Civs that should be as interesting to play! It will take place on a relatively small map.

When this is finished (if that happens ), I'll probably work on a solo version for A-M with new units, events, etc...

	16-04-2003 16:16									#56
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Quick update:

- graphics done (rather found than done ) at 50%

- improvements, wonders, units: chosen, still need some names

- tech tree: done at 80%

- map: the implantation on the map still need to be done, which will take some time as I won't get the "Discworld Mapp" before the end of May. This is not too bad, as I have enough to do on other parts (graphics, text, etc.) before then...

- text descriptions: nothing done...

I might need some ideas on a few improvements and wonder names (I have 80% of them already, but a few others are still needed), as well as some help on graphics: someone willing to help??

If all goes well, playtest is scheduled for Summer...

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Do
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help at all?

	17-04-2003 01:47									#58
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YES ST-LEO, they do!

Actually it's exactly what I was looking for : the same map I had (and which you transformed to Civ format and I'll use!), but with the names on it!

Exactly what I ordered on paper! So no excuse for waiting now (I'll find another one, no worries... )

So thank you, thank you thank you!!

	17-04-2003 03:11									#59
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Well, someone linked to a version of this that was split into 24 images somewhere in this thread. I merely compiled it into one giant image (a 24 meg PNG) and then uploaded reduced quality copies.

	17-04-2003 11:31									#60
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And you know what is the worst? I gave Xuenay the links he uploaded...

I just had forgotten there was a version with the names on it!

But your compilation is much more practical!!