25-04-2002 08:27									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Well said! Extremism isn't always bad. The Founding Father's were the original extremists. It just depends on which horse you're backing.

I do not care WHAT political ideology a person adheres to. If they are an extremist in that particular political ideology, then they have unbalanced viewpoints and outlook.

Note that I believe that extreme liberals are just as bad as extreme conservatives.

	25-04-2002 08:57									#32
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I must respectfully disagree Mr. Fun.
People like Martin Luther King, :Mahatma Gandhi, Rosa Parks, Susan B. Anthony, and many others were considered extremeists in their time, but surely there are few who would argue the positive effect they have had on society. Sometimes society needs a dose of extremeism to fight gross injustice.

	25-04-2002 09:00									#33
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How have I moved to the left? The traditional left-right deal model Libertarianism.

	25-04-2002 09:00									#34
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Mr. Fun - people who wanted universal suffrage during the French revolution were known as "radicals"

What's radical now may not be radical in the future. Keep that in mind.

	25-04-2002 09:05									#35
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quote: What am I? Chopped liver?

Asparagus, actually. :hipppie:

	25-04-2002 09:20									#36
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I must respectfully disagree Mr. Fun. People like Martin Luther King, :Mahatma Gandhi, Rosa Parks, Susan B. Anthony, and many others were considered extremeists in their time, but surely there are few who would argue the positive effect they have had on society. Sometimes society needs a dose of extremeism to fight gross injustice.

True -- I have to rethink this.

	25-04-2002 09:20									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Asparagus, actually. :hipppie:

You are an inferior hippie!

	25-04-2002 09:22									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Well? This was noted over a year ago during a drug legalization debate in which one forumer remarked that a year before that the topic would've sparked a huge debate but now it was just Albert Speer against all. This was a year ago and the ever-leftist trend of former conservative apolytoners is continuing. Imran Siddiqui, Connorkimbro, Black Dragon, Dave Floyd... Where's the old conservatism? I'm not saying you should be Maestrobtos and Jeszenkas but why are you all libertarians now? Where's your conservative idealism? You don't care about the improvement of society? thanks (I wouldnt be surprised if Lincoln has turned libertarian or centrist too... and Giancarlo is an athiest? What's Apolyton coming too?)

What the hell? When since coming to apolyton have i EVER been anything but a libertarian? My first post here was how we ought to end taxes and privatize welfare and social security. I've never been a "conservative" by YOUR definition of the word.

	25-04-2002 10:23									#39
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quote: True -- I have to rethink this.

You end up having to rethink a lot, Fun... rethinking everything wouldn't be a bad idea .

	25-04-2002 11:11									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Zachriel For somewhat more conservative views , check out the Civ3 strategy forum. A lot of posters think using the whip and razing cities are progressive social policies with which to build a civilization.

By that standard, the local ZOG redefines right-wing.

	25-04-2002 11:48									#41
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quote: For somewhat more conservative views , check out the Civ3 strategy forum. A lot of posters think using the whip and razing cities are progressive social policies with which to build a civilization.

As being more a fan of Civ2 and SMACX, I will exert my own ZOC from now on. There will be no way to pass me. I will not shoot anybody. You simply cannot pass me.

MrFun: How about separating the notions of extremist and radical, extremist being defined as persuing one certain view to the extreme and radical being defined as a lack of respect for any other view? In this view, Gandhi would be extremist but not radical, LePen extremist and radical, and a hypothetical supporter of Tony Blair who (the supporter) doesn't allow any other opinion than Blair's as radical but not extremist.

	25-04-2002 12:13									#42
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quote: Originally posted by monkspider I must respectfully disagree Mr. Fun. People like Martin Luther King, :Mahatma Gandhi, Rosa Parks, Susan B. Anthony, and many others were considered extremeists in their time, but surely there are few who would argue the positive effect they have had on society. Sometimes society needs a dose of extremeism to fight gross injustice.

Good points monkspider.

And may I add that sometimes a society may need an arch-conservative to preserve it. Maybe like Winston Churchill.

Then again, how do you define an Abraham Lincoln? Fight a civil war to preserve the union AND free the slaves.

Snap quiz. Who knows from where and why the terms left and right wing originate?

	25-04-2002 12:19									#43
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More on our level, who knows what the centre-left was called in that parliament?

	25-04-2002 12:25									#44
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Did they advocate a specific policy?

	25-04-2002 12:26									#45
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quote: Snap quiz. Who knows from where and why the terms left and right wing originate?

I've heard there was some parliament (don't know which one) where left people were sitting on the left and right people sitting on the right side. And I think in many parliaments today it's simply the case.

	25-04-2002 12:29									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus I've heard there was some parliament (don't know which one) where left people were sitting on the left and right people sitting on the right side. And I think in many parliaments today it's simply the case.

It was your parliament, actually.

The more logical solution would be to call the right party right since they are right, and the left is simply the opposite of right, right?

	25-04-2002 12:29									#47
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And you thought my question too obvious KH.

	25-04-2002 12:39									#48
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quote: Originally posted by nationalist I have read some of your threads, and I don't think that we agree on too many things.

Good, then there might be hope for you

	25-04-2002 12:44									#49
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Did they advocate a specific policy?

Yes. Politics was rather one-dimensional there...

	25-04-2002 12:46									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus I've heard there was some parliament (don't know which one) where left people were sitting on the left and right people sitting on the right side. And I think in many parliaments today it's simply the case

One would have thought that the French Revolution would be well-covered in France...

	25-04-2002 12:49									#51
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Ummmm. Geee. Alex. Can I pick Republicans for $100?

	25-04-2002 12:54									#52
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I'd rather cover Monarchists.

	25-04-2002 13:01									#53
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Kind of hard since the monarchy was abolished on the first day of the Convention's meeting. The Republic was proclaimed some 4 days later.

	25-04-2002 15:14									#54
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Yes, but they were still there...

The furthest right delegates were arguing for a restoration until it actually happened 30 years later (although they were rather subdued after 1792-3)...

	25-04-2002 18:22									#55
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Lincoln, by today's standards, was an extreme right wing Christian lunatic, and the best President this country has ever had.

Ned

	25-04-2002 18:43									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus As being more a fan of Civ2 and SMACX, I will exert my own ZOC from now on. There will be no way to pass me. I will not shoot anybody. You simply cannot pass me. MrFun: How about separating the notions of extremist and radical, extremist being defined as persuing one certain view to the extreme and radical being defined as a lack of respect for any other view? In this view, Gandhi would be extremist but not radical, LePen extremist and radical, and a hypothetical supporter of Tony Blair who (the supporter) doesn't allow any other opinion than Blair's as radical but not extremist.

Hey, that's a good point.

I believe that the modern political spectrum began to develop from the French Revolution, and then continued onwards from the good ol' days of Napolean.

	25-04-2002 19:32									#57
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I can be conservative on certain issues, but there are plenty of issues in which I lean to the left.

I dont support affirmative action or reparations for slavery, but I am pro-choice and want drug laws to be changed.

I woud be libertarian if I didnt have such a fascination for eugenics and racial differences.

	25-04-2002 19:38									#58
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Albert Speer, you're not Apolyton's only conservative, in fact we've got quite a few of them.

You're just Apolyton's only Nazi

	25-04-2002 19:44									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer Newsmax is too extreme for my tastes... I just want to kno why the Apolyton Old Guard has turned libertarian...

Morality can't be legislated.

	25-04-2002 19:46									#60
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Morality can't be legislated.

Sure it can. We do it all the time.