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DinoDoc is offline DinoDoc
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No. They don't (or you know something the rest of us doesn't). That's illegal.


Actually, they do. Thailand is a popular vacation spot among the groups members.

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No it isn't, not at all. I think marijuana should be legalized. But I'm not ACTING upon it. Sure, I'll say all I want about it being legalized, but I don't do it, no matter how much I want to. Same goes for NAMBLA. They want to see sex with children as young as 8 legalized. I can bet that a lot of them haven't done that, no more than a lot of men haven't raped women. Its the same thing.


Like I said above. If you want to advocate smoking pot, fine with me. I dont' care one bit. But you say that you want to make it legal to have sex with children as low as 8 then you and me are going to have a problem. What you advocate doing to yourself dosen't concern me, but what you advocate doing to a kid of mine concerns me a whole hell of a lot. Can you see the difference?

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Can you see the difference?


Yes, I can

BUT

It is their opinion and no matter how much we dispise, hate, and want to destroy it, we can't, because this is such a great country. Their freedom of speech protects our freedom of speech.

Including your freedom to say that they shouldn't get this freedom. You can say that, and will be protected, but once you try to violate their freedom, that's when you will be stopped. Same as them.

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Any member of NAMBLA deserves to burn in hell, and every hour receive an extremely large pineapple shoved up their a$$. (ala "Little Nicky) then again some of those sick b$$tards might enjoy it.

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That's because the Germans ****ed up and the country was taken over by a ****ing gutless ***** and his jackass compadres (I would have sworn more, but I don't want to be banned.)


You made a slight historical error. These laws were made after 1945 to have a better move against criminals/political radicals.

Even if pedophilia were legal(ized) it still ruins the life of children. And in this case, the law itself would be a crime.

To the (not so really good) other examples: Drugs wreck the life of the user and not (directly) somebody else's (I think the use of drugs is not a crime in Germany, only trading or possessing. But I'm neither a lawyer nor a drug user except of wine and beer, so I really don't bother). The weapon fans want to legalize owning guns. This alone doesn't do harm to anybody. If they would promote the free use of guns agains anybody, they were indeed criminals in the same sense as the Nambla guys. And in the very liberal US laws regarding possession of guns I see one (but not the only) reason for the considerably more shootings at US schools, compared to Europe.

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Any sex with a minor ( at least under 15) can be construed as forced, because they can be said not to fully comprhend the act. That is why there are age of consent laws. Also, there is a fundamental difference between Marijuana groups, the NRA, and NAMBLA. NRA is a group dedicated to defending an already esyablished 2nd amendment right. Marijuana groups advocate the legalization of a drug that many people feel is on the same level as alcohol. People aren't forced to smoke weed against their wills, and it seems to be more of a personal decision. NAMBLA advocates pedophilia and statutory rape as a right of citizens. They act out their desires (look at the case of the Catholic priest, or type NAMBLA in Yahoo). Would you advocate the rights of a group that actively advocates raping Women, and had members who regularly did so? I think NAMBLA's speech is equivalent to yelling "fire" in a crowded room. Therefore, IMO, NAMBLA should not have the right to speak. Others can disagree. I think that it is up for the U.S. Surpreme court to decide.


Well put. I don't think it is the intention of the NRA to arm 8 year olds, nor is it the intention of the NORML to have children smoking pot and watching Sesame Street.

The thing I find intrguing about NAMBLA is that there is no counter group representing man/girl love. How come? Why is the reaction to this kind of pedophilia some how more socially unaccepted (as it appears to be)?

Oh, and I thought I'd add this little tid bit for all you lefties out there -- Good ole' Uncle Allen Ginsberg was a dues paying member of NAMBLA. Not that he wasn't a gifted poet...

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North American Man Boy Love Association ?...

where's the barf smiley?!

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I have to agree with Ramo et. all here. It is a political action group... a lobbying organization. As long as they do not act upon their desires, an individual in the club should not be thrown in jail for participation in said club, and the club should be allowed to exist. Called free speech, even for things that are currently illegal.

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North American Man Boy Love Association ?...

where's the barf smiley?!


Just as morally wrong as an organization that would be called North American Man Girl Love Association.

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I have to agree with Ramo et. all here. It is a political action group... a lobbying organization. As long as they do not act upon their desires, an individual in the club should not be thrown in jail for participation in said club, and the club should be allowed to exist. Called free speech, even for things that are currently illegal.


The problem with them is THEY DO act upon their desires. They're proud of it! Read their literature. Type NAMBLA into Yahoo to find out more. NAMBLA is not just another political lobbying group.

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MrFun : of course, still disgusting.

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Just as morally wrong as an organization that would be called North American Man Girl Love Association.


I agree 100%.

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Just as morally wrong as an organization that would be called North American Man Girl Love Association.


Actually, I think I disagree as I've never heard of such an organization.

How do you all think this ties into the way the Catholic Church reacted to the recent scandal.

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WhiteElephants --- reread my post.

Note the words "that would".

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How do you all think this ties into the way the Catholic Church reacted to the recent scandal.


Any Priest that is found to be a member of NAMBLA, or an organization like it, should atoumatically be removed from the priesthood and kicked out of the church. Pedophiles have no right to be in such positions of dignity and power.

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WhiteElephants --- reread my post.

Note the words "that would".


My suggestion is that since another "sister" organization to NAMBLA doesn't exist, it stands to reason it is because that organization would be (and is) more frowned upon.

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"North American Man/Boy Love Association"

Whenever I hear that, I think it is a punchline...

"Man/Boy Love Association" WTF?

and "North American" as if they have branches on other continents like the Elks or something...

BTW when I was in Grade 9 me and my friends kept making off-colour jokes about NAMBLA until we were sent to the Principal's office....

(i.e., so-and-so is the NAMBLA posterboy, just got back from a NAMBLA meeting did you? Bum hurt?)

Kids can be so cruel...

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If they actually do anything - throw them in jail faster than you can say "exploitation"! In fact, I'd take pretty much any valid reason to get these people bars.

However, some people seem to have a strange view of the meaning of "free speach" and "free association". These mean that you can hang with anyone wou want and say whatever you want. "These people are advocating something illegal" is very, very, VERY different than "these people are doing something illegal".

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It doesn't matter what I think most of them do. It only matters to a parent that because of this group, someone might do it.


And I know parents who think that we shouldn't live under a fascist state. What's your point?

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Avocating cheating on their taxes, I would still say who cares. But because of the nature of the subject what might happen means a whole hell of a lot to some people. It doesn't seem to bother you.


Because I don't advocate silencing them, their beliefs don't bother me? Interesting logic, there.

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No, but people in NAMBLA are pedophiles, and they do act out their goals. Do some research.


The organization doesn't, regardless of what individual memeber do. Get some sense.

Some people in the GOP are probably pedophiles. Does that mean we should criminalize the GOP?

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Actually, they do. Thailand is a popular vacation spot among the groups members.


I didn't assert that individual members aren't pedophiles, just that being in NAMBLA doesn't imply acting on one's pedophilia (that acting on pedophilia isn't the point of the organization).

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Well.....its disgusting. Only one solution for convicted pedaphiles. Castration. Thats right...in some states ; they do this to repeat offenders. It should be first strike your out.

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You made a slight historical error. These laws were made after 1945 to have a better move against criminals/political radicals.


...which is precisely what I was saying. You must have misread it.

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Well.....its disgusting. Only one solution for convicted pedaphiles. Castration. Thats right...in some states ; they do this to repeat offenders. It should be first strike your out.


AMEN!!! Great answer! I support that 100%

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Do it for rapist too, and you have a deal .

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AMEN!!! Great answer! I support that 100%



Thats really the only cure to the problem.


And some states do this to multiple offenders ; believe it or not.

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On the original subject, I think that the government should keep its nose out of free speech. Advocating a change in the law is and should remain legal. Advocating illegal acts is actually not legal where I'm from (nor is it in the States, IIRC); I would therefore hazard a guess that NAMBLA does not actually advocate performing illegal acts, since if they did then they would probably have been shut down by now.

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Do it for rapist too, and you have a deal .


depends how rape is defined. Ive had a few beers. Stumbled around with a girl (not uunderage of course) ; and did my thing. And never saw her again. Is that rape? I dont think so....


I think thats a slippery slope. There would need to be guidelines. Age..and proof it was forced. I dont want a 14 year having his nuts cut out cause he and his nieghbor friend decided to play around with daddys liqour stash and had sex and the girl is only a few months younger.

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if more nuts are cut off then we don't have the population troubles

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depends how rape is defined. Ive had a few beers. Stumbled around with a girl (not uunderage of course) ; and did my thing. And never saw her again. Is that rape? I dont think so....


I think thats a slippery slope. There would need to be guidelines. Age..and proof it was forced. I dont want a 14 year having his nuts cut out cause he and his nieghbor friend decided to play around with daddys liqour stash and had sex and the girl is only a few months younger.


Why do I get the feeling there's a story behind this?

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faded glory according to the date rape lectures at college i've you'd be getting castrated too if some of the more corporal punishment types ran the justice system

 
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