25-04-2002 23:53									#1
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A few threads have been posted about the problem of pedophilic Catholic Cardinals. It seems that one of the most recent priest was a member of NAMBLA. For those of you who don't know, NAMBLA is the North American Man/Boy Love Association. Basically, this is a group of men who join together to protect pedophilia, and advocate having sex (molesting or raping, whichever term you prefer) with young boys. (You may have seen these "people" on South park.) Personally, I think that all of these "men" are evil. Their organization should be shut down, their membership lists seized, and their members thrown in jail. Others might think that these peopl have the right to practice their sick sexual feish. What do you people think? If you want more info on their subject, NAMBLA has moved their web page out of the U.S., so it doesn't really work any more. Now its www.nambla.de . Type up NAMBLA on yahoo if you want more info.

	25-04-2002 23:57									#2
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quote: What do you people think?

I think these people have every right to voice their political opinions, and should be left alone by the state as long as they don't act on their desires.

	25-04-2002 23:59									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo I think these people have every right to voice their political opinions, and should be left alone by the state as long as they don't act on their desires.

The problem is that they advocate acting out on their desires.

	26-04-2002 00:04									#4
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"Pedophiles are people too" -Seen on a t_shirt

Pedophiles seem to be the new boogeymen as far as the press and public are concerned

you just have to read the British tabliods to realise that Pedophiles are blamed for sooo much.

hmmmmm

Typical us&them human mentality.

	26-04-2002 00:10									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil "Pedophiles are people too" -Seen on a t_shirt

I would disagree witht that statement, or at least I would disagree that pedophiles that act out their sick impulses are people. 30 year old man having sex with an 8 year old boy. This is sick.

quote: Pedophiles seem to be the new boogeymen as far as the press and public are concerned

That is because the idea of them is so disturbing. No one with children or younger siblings wants to think of a grown man raping their child, let alone tolerate a group that openly advocates this type of behavior.

	26-04-2002 00:11									#6
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There really is a NAMBLA!? I thought it was just a South Park sick joke!

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quote: The problem is that they advocate acting out on their desires.

Which they should be able to do as long as they don't act on their desires themselves.

	26-04-2002 00:12									#8
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quote: Originally posted by nationalist Personally, I think that all of these "men" are evil. Their organization should be shut down, their membership lists seized, and their members thrown in jail

	26-04-2002 00:13									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Which they should be able to do as long as they don't committ pedophilia themselves.

If they are advocating it, dont you think they are likely to be doing it themselves?

	26-04-2002 00:13									#10
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quote: Originally posted by our_man There really is a NAMBLA!? I thought it was just a South Park sick joke!

I wish that is was just a sick joke. Unfortunately these people do exist.

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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Which they should be able to do as long as they don't act on their desires themselves.

They do act them out. That is the whole point of the organization.

	26-04-2002 00:17									#12
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No. They don't (or you know something the rest of us doesn't). That's illegal.

The whole point of the organization to to legalize pedophilia.

quote: If they are advocating it, dont you think they are likely to be doing it themselves?

I advocate an end to drug prohibtion, but I've never had weed.

	26-04-2002 00:20									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo No. They don't (or you know something the rest of us doesn't). That's illegal. The whole point of the organization to to legalize pedophilia.

THey want to be legal for them to **** little boys. You dont have a problem with that?

quote: I advocate an end to drug prohibtion, but I've never had weed.

That is different and you know it.

	26-04-2002 00:20									#14
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I'm sorry, but I still think that they are human beings albeit Mentally ill in many cases (esp those that carry out their desires).
By law they are still 'people' with the same rights as you or I. Ecce homo and all that.



Your right with your second point, definately it appeals to a type of gut fear thats common to all families. The problem is embellishing it it and using it, like our tabloids do. The us&them mentality doesn't help anybody.

Did you see a recent headliner on www.family.org (gone now) which blamed some random anti-church pamphlet on "The Pedophiles and their allies (In Congress".

Scapegoating anybody?





BTW I spelt Boogeyman wrong deliberately... Anybody remember the boogeyman from Garfield?

	26-04-2002 00:21									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Which they should be able to do as long as they don't act on their desires themselves.

Parents don't have the luxury of intellectual theory. Your position sounds good, but those with children look at it from a slightly different perspective. Or I should say a profoundly different perspective.

	26-04-2002 00:22									#16
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I have a problem with their political goals. I also have problems with most peoples' political goals. But their organizations certainly shouldn't be silenced just because I don't like what they say.

	26-04-2002 00:22									#17
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I certainly believe that pedophilia is morally wrong, and it only creates more problems in a society where it is common.

Pedophilia is not always between two people of the same gender however -- it also occurs often enough between two people of the opposite genders.

	26-04-2002 00:24									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil I'm sorry, but I still think that they are human beings albeit Mentally ill in many cases (esp those that carry out their desires)

I guess that I can live with that definition, but I think that these people are very dangerous.

	26-04-2002 00:24									#19
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quote: Parents don't have the luxury of intellectual theory. Your position sounds good, but those with children look at it from a slightly different perspective. Or I should say a profoundly different perspective.

Do you really think people act on their pedophilia simply because NAMBLA says they should?

	26-04-2002 00:24									#20
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quote: Originally posted by nationalist A few threads have been posted about the problem of pedophilic Catholic Cardinals. It seems that one of the most recent priest was a member of NAMBLA.

Not just a member, but a founder.

quote: For those of you who don't know, NAMBLA is the North American Man/Boy Love Association. Basically, this is a group of men who join together to protect pedophilia, and advocate having sex (molesting or raping, whichever term you prefer) with young boys.

Not entirely. They do advocate sex with minors, but not forced sex (at least they don't SAY they advocate it.) They're a legalization group, like marijana groups and the NRA (notice, I used a liberal and conservative group; don't anyone get mad at me )

quote: Personally, I think that all of these "men" are evil. Their organization should be shut down, their membership lists seized, and their members thrown in jail.

You have a right to your opinion, but that's the problem. The only thing protecting your right to have this opinion is that they have the right to have there's without persecution. As long as the don't act it out, this country will support their freedom of speech. You can't have freedom of speech if you put people in jail for their opinions.

Believe me, I think they are sick freaks, and I also think that they should be impaled on spikes. As long as I don't act that out, I'm free from persecution. So are they.

	26-04-2002 00:25									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo I have a problem with their political goals. I also have problems with most peoples' political goals. But their organizations certainly shouldn't be silenced just because I don't like what they say.

No, it should be silenced because they advocate sexually abusing children, which is illegal.

	26-04-2002 00:26									#22
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Pedophilia is not always between two people of the same gender however -- it also occurs often enough between two people of the opposite genders.

That is very true. That is the reason there are age of consent laws. I think any adult having sex with someone betweenthe ages of 15 and 13 is molestation and child endangerment, Any adult having sex with a childd under 13 should be charged with rape.

	26-04-2002 00:29									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Do you really think people act on their pedophilia simply because NAMBLA says they should?

It doesn't matter what I think most of them do. It only matters to a parent that because of this group, someone might do it. If this was a group advocating smoking pot, I would say who cares. If it was a group advocating cheating on their taxes, I would still say who cares. But because of the nature of the subject what might happen means a whole hell of a lot to some people. It doesn't seem to bother you.

	26-04-2002 00:29									#24
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Pedophilia is a crime, and people promoting a crime are criminals as well, whether they commit the crime themselves or not.

I hope they will not be happy with a .de extension. Mostly it's German web sites that move to the US to hide (see many neo-Nazis). In Germany you can be sentenced for being member of a criminal organisation, which would not be difficult to prove in this case.

Anyone knows where to write to that this site will be closed down? Just tried to follow the link, it seems to be a closed loop to and from Yahoo. Maybe someone has already taken care of

	26-04-2002 00:29									#25
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NAMBLA's certainly an organization filled with sick motherfuckers, but from what I've seen, they've been careful not to represent themselves as anything other than group advocating change of laws, which they assuredly have a right to do. And banning a group because it's members might be lawbreakers would create all sorts of interesting precedents - NORML and other anti-drug laws groups would soon be goners, as would any gun rights groups wanting to relegalize banned weapons. of course, should there be evidence they're spreading rape manuals or something of sort it'll be an unpleasant jail trip for them.

	26-04-2002 00:31									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia That is different and you know it.

No it isn't, not at all. I think marijuana should be legalized. But I'm not ACTING upon it. Sure, I'll say all I want about it being legalized, but I don't do it, no matter how much I want to. Same goes for NAMBLA. They want to see sex with children as young as 8 legalized. I can bet that a lot of them haven't done that, no more than a lot of men haven't raped women. Its the same thing.

	26-04-2002 00:36									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Adalbertus Pedophilia is a crime, and people promoting a crime are criminals as well, whether they commit the crime themselves or not. I hope they will not be happy with a .de extension. Mostly it's German web sites that move to the US to hide (see many neo-Nazis). In Germany you can be sentenced for being member of a criminal organisation, which would not be difficult to prove in this case.

That's because the Germans ****ed up and the country was taken over by a ****ing gutless ***** and his jackass compadres (I would have sworn more, but I don't want to be banned.)

I promote marijuana use. Come and arrest me!

This is not Germany. There are not criminal organizations. The biggest messup we ever had was the Red Communist scare. That was incredible removal of rights guarenteed by the Constitution.

Sorry buddy, as long as the Constitution, on of the greatest documents on Earth, exists, groups like that will exist, but so will groups like PETA, ACLU, and the NRA.

	26-04-2002 00:37									#28
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous No it isn't, not at all. I think marijuana should be legalized. But I'm not ACTING upon it. Sure, I'll say all I want about it being legalized, but I don't do it, no matter how much I want to. Same goes for NAMBLA. They want to see sex with children as young as 8 legalized. I can bet that a lot of them haven't done that, no more than a lot of men haven't raped women. Its the same thing.

The laws that they want to change are not laws that any normal person would question, and they dont have any chance of changing them. Would you be ok with a group that advocated changing the laws regarding murder and encouraged others to murder?

	26-04-2002 00:38									#29
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous Not entirely. They do advocate sex with minors, but not forced sex (at least they don't SAY they advocate it.) They're a legalization group, like marijana groups and the NRA (notice, I used a liberal and conservative group; don't anyone get mad at me )

Any sex with a minor ( at least under 15) can be construed as forced, because they can be said not to fully comprhend the act. That is why there are age of consent laws. Also, there is a fundamental difference between Marijuana groups, the NRA, and NAMBLA. NRA is a group dedicated to defending an already esyablished 2nd amendment right. Marijuana groups advocate the legalization of a drug that many people feel is on the same level as alcohol. People aren't forced to smoke weed against their wills, and it seems to be more of a personal decision. NAMBLA advocates pedophilia and statutory rape as a right of citizens. They act out their desires (look at the case of the Catholic priest, or type NAMBLA in Yahoo). Would you advocate the rights of a group that actively advocates raping Women, and had members who regularly did so? I think NAMBLA's speech is equivalent to yelling "fire" in a crowded room. Therefore, IMO, NAMBLA should not have the right to speak. Others can disagree. I think that it is up for the U.S. Surpreme court to decide.

	26-04-2002 00:40									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Do you really think people act on their pedophilia simply because NAMBLA says they should?

No, but people in NAMBLA are pedophiles, and they do act out their goals. Do some research.