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MrFun
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of Iowa
Nov 2000
time: 23:19
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Ned
I don't think even the Russians believe they could have won WWII without American intervention. We certainly "helped."
As to history, the U.S. beat Mexico and took California. We beat Spain and liberated Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philipines.
We virtually single-handedly beat Japan and freed China, Korea and all of SE Asia.
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I don't think even the Russians believe they could have won WWII without American intervention. We certainly "helped."
As to history, the U.S. beat Mexico and took California. We beat Spain and liberated Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Philipines.
We virtually single-handedly beat Japan and freed China, Korea and all of SE Asia.
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First --- we never liberated Cuba, Puerto Rico, and the Phillipines. We kicked Spain out to set up our own imperial possessions. The Phillipinos in fact, rose up in rebellion against the United States soon after the Spanish American War. The United States was just another imperial power based on white supremacy.
Second --- you never heard of the Australian, British, and Indian allies who helped us in World War II in the South Pacific or SE Asia?? Not sure how much they contributed, but you can be damn sure they helped the United States in that theater of operations.
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morb
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San Francisco Bay Area, California, USA
Nov 2001
time: 21:19
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Originally posted by Sikander
You are mistaken, Slavs have existed for a lot longer than the Roman Empire. Here's a Russian site for you with the pertinent information:
http://histru.newmail.ru/Add/slave.htm
And here's the information for anyone who doesn't want to wait for that page to load:
Ýòèìîëîãèÿ àíãë. slave
Ìåíÿ ïî÷òè óáåäèëè (SASA íà ÂÈÔ), ÷òî ñîâð. àíãë. slave ïðîèñõîäèò îò èìåíè ñëàâÿí:
1. http://www.bartleby.com/61/62/S0466200.html:
NOUN:
1. One bound in servitude as the property of a person or household. 2. One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence: "I was still the slave of education and prejudice" (Edward Gibbon) 3. One who works extremely hard. 4. A machine or component controlled by another machine or component. I
NTRANSITIVE VERB:
Inflected forms: slaved, slav·ing, slaves 1. To work very hard or doggedly; toil. 2. To trade in or transport slaves.
ETYMOLOGY:
Middle English sclave, from Old French esclave, from Medieval Latin sclvus, from Sclvus, Slav (from the widespread enslavement of captured Slavs in the early Middle Ages). See SLAV.
WORD HISTORY:
The derivation of the word slave encapsulates a bit of European history and explains why the two words slaves and Slavs are so similar; they are, in fact, historically identical. The word slave first appears in English around 1290, spelled sclave. The spelling is based on Old French esclave from Medieval Latin sclavus, "Slav, slave," first recorded around 800. Sclavus comes from Byzantine Greek sklabos (pronounced sklavs) "Slav," which appears around 580. Sklavos approximates the Slavs' own name for themselves, the Slovnci, surviving in English Slovene and Slovenian. The spelling of English slave, closer to its original Slavic form, first appears in English in 1538. Slavs became slaves around the beginning of the ninth century when the Holy Roman Empire tried to stabilize a German-Slav frontier. By the 12th century stabilization had given way to wars of expansion and extermination that did not end until the Poles crushed the Teutonic Knights at Grunwald in 1410.·As far as the Slavs' own self-designation goes, its meaning is, understandably, better than "slave"; it comes from the Indo-European root *kleu-, whose basic meaning is "to hear" and occurs in many derivatives meaning "renown, fame." The Slavs are thus "the famous people." Slavic names ending in -slav incorporate the same word, such as Czech Bohu-slav, "God's fame," Russian Msti-slav, "vengeful fame," and Polish Stani-slaw, "famous for withstanding (enemies)."
2. http://www.britannica.com/cgi-bin/dict?va=slave:
Main Entry: 'slave
Pronunciation: 'slAv
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English sclave, from Old French or Medieval Latin; Old French esclave, from Medieval Latin sclavus, from Sclavus Slavic; from the frequent enslavement of Slavs in central Europe Date: 14th century.
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great, that defines the LATIN based words which gave way to "slave." and in all fairness slavs have a long history of enslaving themselves as well as bing the enslaved and the enslavers. But the Russian meaning, or really probably the meaning in any slavic language of the word "slav" as in "slava" or "slavyane" or "pravoslavniy" meaning "glory", "glorious people" (also mentioned by serb here) and "rightly-glorious" or "orthodox" in the west as in the church, in that order.
So you see, even though the west may have its own misguided meanings based on the word, to us, it means nothing close to slave, instead something completely opposit.
Thanks.
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Akka
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In front of my computer.
Nov 2001
time: 06:19
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quote:
Originally posted by morb
great, that defines the LATIN based words which gave way to "slave." and in all fairness slavs have a long history of enslaving themselves as well as bing the enslaved and the enslavers. But the Russian meaning, or really probably the meaning in any slavic language of the word "slav" as in "slava" or "slavyane" or "pravoslavniy" meaning "glory", "glorious people" (also mentioned by serb here) and "rightly-glorious" or "orthodox" in the west as in the church, in that order.
So you see, even though the west may have its own misguided meanings based on the word, to us, it means nothing close to slave, instead something completely opposit.
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Guy, is this discussion written in english or in russian ?
As long it's still english, then I'll stick to the english's etymology.
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Serb
WTF is PC?
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Would go for my sig weren't all the quotes that are already in there so important
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My Wife Hates CIV
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Michigan
Jan 1970
time: 05:19
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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia May 6 — Saudi authorities have confiscated 82,000 abayas, the black head-to-toe gowns worn by all Saudi women, for being too highly decorated or too revealing.
The Ministry of Commerce confiscated the gowns from stores and factories after inspections in the capital, Riyadh, and the Red Sea port city of Jiddah. Inspectors took away garments found not in conformance with Islamic law, al-Jazirah daily newspaper reported Sunday. The abayas were not plain and opaque or they were provocatively clinging, it said.
This so-called country will still be in the dirt a hundred years from now. Or is it because Saudi women just don't look that good??
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:19
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and?
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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:19
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Originally posted by Ecthelion
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Ecthelion, Since we've had so much discussion on the origin of the word "slav," and of the East (Russians, Ukrainian) and West (Poles) Slavs, I thought it would be interesting to see what Europe looked like at the time Charlemagne was "stabilizing" the east marches of the Roman (Frankish) Empire.
From the map, it does not appear that Constantinople had anything to do with the "stabilization." However, I do not see the Serbs on the map. Perhaps by that time, they were already present within the borders of the Roman Empire. I half recall that Emperor Heraclius (~620) invited the Serbs south to counterbalance the Avars, who Charlemagne wiped out in his "stabilization" effort.
Perhaps the Serbs are the source of the term "slav" in the Empire, not the Poles or the Croats.
Ned
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Az
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
time: 07:19
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bla bla bla ...
ignorant post.
Last edited by Az on 07-05-2002 at 02:44
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:19
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erm... Atilla was long before the 9th century.
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