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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
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Now if you feel so deeply wounded because some Roman people who died several centuries ago called you after their slaves... |
I’m not wounded at all and I’m not a linguist, but again in times of Roman Empire Slavs did not existed. I believe that you are mistaken. Do you think the Slavs called themselves slaves? It’s absurd. On Russian or any other Slav’s language the Slav’s people are called “Slavyane” I guess it’s originated from word “slava” which means “glory” and ‘slavyane’ means- ‘glorious people’.
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Well if you take into account how many civilians have died over the years by american bombs I think you take the prize.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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Come and get us if you are so strong and brave.
Germans, Brits or French already tried this and every time they thought that our military is a crap and that it could be easily destroyed. Every time they ended beaten by this ‘crap’ army and running from our country like a beaten dog. |
The Germans beat the **** out of you in WW1. In WW2, they would have, except for American Lend Lease.
The Japanese won in the Russo-Japanese war.
The British and French won the Crimean War.
The Finns inflicted hugely disproportionate casualties in the Winter War.
The Poles threw you out in the 1920s.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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They have right to demand everything they want, the government have right to deny their reqests.
If a bunch of crazy communists tomorrow gather in Alaska and will demand an independence of this state from Washington you let them go? |
I would, if the State of Alaska votes for secession.
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Who told you that I think that Soviet invasion in Finland was Ok?
I've never said this. |
You implied that it was OK because of strategic reasons, and because Finland rejected Soviet offers to purchase Finnish property.
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:19
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Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia
In this day and age, military might is not as important as diplomatic leverage, economic influence, and scientific progress. Thus, I would argue that China's largest army status is not particularly relevant. Whilst they could probably wage a very ferocious defensive war, China's offensive strike capability is undeveloped and furthermore there does not appear to be much effort going towards developing this further (beyond rocket capabilities).
Even with military might toned down to its more modern level, America is still by far the most powerful country. In number two place, Japan possesses a strong economy (by any standards except for its own), an adequate military, and scientific parity with America.
From there onwards, you have a choice between several nations, and can choose between present might or projected future potential.
Of all the developing nations, China is best placed for rapid economic growth and may evolve into a nation that poses an economic counterpoise to America. Chinese technology is still lagging behind those of the southeastern "tiger" nations and China has un uphill battle before it can hope for parity. Of course, it's possible, but will require considerable resources and may need something of an administration small miracle.
While China becomes more of a market driven economy, it has retained its authoritarian political system - an unusual mixture, and one that has drawn political condemnation from the West whilst attracting considerable economic interest. Whether or not this same resistance to political reform will continue into the fourth political generation post-Jiang Zemin remains to be seen... perhaps with a new wave of leaders who have not experienced the early days of the Communist Party, reforms may become ideologically easier to speed.
In any case, the question is a fascinating one and one that I believe requires a new outlook than naked competition. The world today is no longer the colonial frontier of the 1800s, nor is it the bipolar battlefield of the Cold War and late 1900s. Now if one country takes an economic spill, the negative effects could spread to all others and will largely outweigh any potential gain to them. I think it's a mistake to view another country as a rival or competitor, especially in this day and age when any government worth its salt recognizes that it cannot do without the support and intercourse of others.
Maybe in 50 years we'll see a strong Sino-US economic and cultural exchange. For two large countries, it's not a bad way to go. |
China has two problems: Communism and Taiwan. Until both are fixed, China will remain a backwater.
Ned
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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Chris62 will agree with me. Probably MtG as well. But if you want to start this argument, go ahead.
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So what? We've return everything we lost in 1945. |
So? You jumped in the war after they were already defeated and their Manchurian defenses were stripped to almost nothing effective.
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So what? This victory gave them nothing. Anyhow we kicked their asses after the revolution. |
They didn't exactly deploy for a real war.
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But lost part of their territory. |
Of course, they were heavily outnumbered. My point is the historical shittiness of the Russian/Soviet military.
95% of their troops were fighting the Germans. Of COURSE you won.
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I said this to explain the reasons of this war, not to justify this aggression. |
That was the implication I got - my apologies.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:19
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Sure. All of you are Americans. Millions of Russians will disagree with this, so what? |
Well, Chris62 has a masters in history and MtG is one of the smartest people on Poly - their opinion is much weightier than millions of Russians who have been spoonfed propaganda.
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We've jumped in war because it we have an agreement to do so, agreement signed in Yalta. You are strange people Americans. First you ask to join the war, then you are saying that we are an opportunists. |
No, what I'm saying was that there was no possible way for you to lose - Japan was already defeated.
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At this case Crim was not a war too. For as it was like military campaign, not big real war. |
Sure it was - the Brits/French threw you out of the Balkans, then defeated your army multiple times in the Crimea, before taking Sevastopol.
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Such point is simply do not exist, or exist in hardly damaged heads of shitty kick boxers. |
You have to admit that almost every war Russia has ever won has been either with foreign support or weight of numbers, neither of which lend themselves to the conclusion that Russia's army has been anything other than large. And even that large army lost on many occasions.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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EDIT: Almost forget to mention. manchurian defences consisted of 900 000 troops of Quantun's army. If 900 000 soldiers is nothing for you, then your efforts in Normandy in 1944 is nothing too. |
900,000 under-equipped, under-supplied soldiers with inferior weapons facing a larger Soviet force, with high morale, better equipment, and massive amounts of US supplies and transportation.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
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I can say the same about German forces in Normandy. |
Actually the initial landing force was outnumbered, and I'd say German armor was superior to Allied armor. Their 88s were nothing to sneeze at either.
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I guess you beleive that every third tank in Red army was a Sherman, every third pane was Cobra, every third gun was Thompson. |
No, although at the time of Operation Typhoon the Soviets had more Western tanks than Soviet tanks on the front.
But the Soviet Union also refused to go after Japan without massive amounts of Lend Lease, a lot of which was logistical-type stuff, including transportation.
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:19
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Originally posted by David Floyd
Opinions backed by facts always out weigh opinions backed by propaganda, regardless of numbers. |
Sure. If those opinions based on real facts, but not on ropaganda too.
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This shows we know how to win wars without losing hundreds of thousands of men. So what? |
Like Vietnam right?
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So you're saying what? Sevastopol didn't fall, or the Russian Army forced the Brits and French out? |
I'm saing that it gave them nothing.
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03-05-2002 00:15
The Mir was a space station not a cake. If you can still use an old tool for your missions, then why you should spent huge amount of money and build new tools? 
*Waiting for Luke’s-like Mongol who will apology that Mongols didn’t destroyed an unintelligent, militaristic Russian civilization and let them grow.* 
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