03-05-2002 03:45									#1
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Ok, place your bets! What do you think the new civs will be? NOT what you WANT them to be but what you think they WILL be.

Here's my bet... I think they will probably put in all of the civs they removed from Civ2.

Starters:

Spanish
Vikings
Celts
Carthaginians
Mongols
Sioux

That's six right there... the other two will probably offend people since everybody will be saying "Hey! My nation should have been the new one!" Of course, thats if its an existing country.

I doubt we'll see a Southeast Asian civ because they've always been ignored.

I think the last two will be the Arabs and the Incans.


Now, how about UU's? REMEMBER: This is not what you WANT, but what you think will be done...

Spanish : Conquistador
Vikings : Longship
Celts : Woad Warrior
Carthaginians : Another Elephant unit?
Mongols : Mangudai
Sioux : Plains Horseman??
Arabs : Camel Rider (Mameluke probably)
Incans : Sun Warrior

And then there'll be a big law suit by AoE for stealing their UU's

	03-05-2002 05:51									#2
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quote: Originally posted by Dom Pedro II Ok, place your bets! What do you think the new civs will be? NOT what you WANT them to be but what you think they WILL be. Here's my bet... I think they will probably put in all of the civs they removed from Civ2. Starters: Spanish Vikings Celts Carthaginians Mongols Sioux That's six right there... the other two will probably offend people since everybody will be saying "Hey! My nation should have been the new one!" Of course, thats if its an existing country. I doubt we'll see a Southeast Asian civ because they've always been ignored. I think the last two will be the Arabs and the Incans. Now, how about UU's? REMEMBER: This is not what you WANT, but what you think will be done... Spanish : Conquistador Vikings : Longship Celts : Woad Warrior Carthaginians : Another Elephant unit? Mongols : Mangudai Sioux : Plains Horseman?? Arabs : Camel Rider (Mameluke probably) Incans : Sun Warrior And then there'll be a big law suit by AoE for stealing their UU's

I have to disagree with you on every point. While Windows has become pretty ubiquitous, single industry towns have failed before, and I can't fathom the fate of an entire civilization built around any one industry, even if it's MS Windows.

	03-05-2002 06:29									#3
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Most likely:

Spanish
Vikings/Scandinavians
Celts (one of the few I'd REALLY like to see)
Mongols
Incas
Koreans (and no, it wouldn't have anything to do with getting Korean gamers to buy the upgrade :P )

That's 6. Honestly, I have no idea what the other 2 would be. That pretty much covers it, IMO.

Wonder if the Celtic capital would be Dublin? Hmm....

UUs:

Spanish: Conquistador (though, probably foot as opposed to the horseback AoE version)

Vikings: Longship

Celts: No idea. A swordsman of some type, no doubt.

Mongols: Mongols were famous for cavalry in general, not just cavalry archers. I'd actually invision it to be a Mounted Spearman type unit.

Incas: Really, I have no idea. I'd say it would be an extra movement archer.

Koreans: Skirmisher. Long range spearman.

	03-05-2002 06:58									#4
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quote: I have to disagree with you on every point. While Windows has become pretty ubiquitous, single industry towns have failed before, and I can't fathom the fate of an entire civilization built around any one industry, even if it's MS Windows.

Eroberer, what the hell are you talking about???

	03-05-2002 07:05									#5
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I predicted that you'd confused yourself when you thought XP could have civs, and still no surprises have arisen.

	03-05-2002 07:10									#6
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It wasn't funny the first time you started blathering on about it, and it isn't any funnier now. As for civs, I think:

Spanish
Vikings
Mongols
Carthaginians
Korea
Arabs
Inca
Ethiopia or another african civ

	03-05-2002 07:16									#7
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Mikhail and ixnay... thank you for actually posting something on topic...

I'd certainly like to see these civs included in the expansion pack, but I somehow doubt that's what Firaxis will do. But maybe... I mean, they've veared away enough from Civ2 already so that they might not put in all the original civilizations first.

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quote: Originally posted by ixnay37 It wasn't funny the first time you started blathering on about it, and it isn't any funnier now. As for civs, I think: Spanish Vikings Mongols Carthaginians Korea Arabs Inca Ethiopia or another african civ

Not trying to be funny, jackass. I just see all these "Apolytoners" in the Civ3 General forum being misled, and it makes me want to puke.

I can just imagine one of you retards started XP = expansion pack and the rest followed because their small existence pales in comparison to text on internet bulliten boards.

	03-05-2002 07:35									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Eroberer Not trying to be funny, jackass. I just see all these "Apolytoners" in the Civ3 General forum being misled, and it makes me want to puke. I can just imagine one of you retards started XP = expansion pack and the rest followed because their small existence pales in comparison to text on internet bulliten boards.

XP is a lot easier to type than expansion pack. Especially when you do it repeatedly.
Apparently, you are the only one confused by this. As far as being retarded, do you think complaining about the use of XP makes you a genius?

As far as Civs:

Mongol
Carthaginians
Vikings
Incas
Spanish
Koreans
Polish?

	03-05-2002 07:41									#10
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The reason you shouldn't use "XP" is the exact same reason you wouldn't call something new AOL, or MSN, or NETSCAPE.

	03-05-2002 07:42									#11
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Well, when Bill Gates comes to these forums and complains then we will stop.

You aren't a Microsoft shareholder are you?

Why the Hell would you care?

	03-05-2002 07:46									#12
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I care because I have a vested interest in ending all things stupid.

	03-05-2002 07:48									#13
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Then how about ending your trolling?

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Because I'm not part of the problem, I'm part of the solution.

	03-05-2002 09:40									#15
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Hey Eroberer! Stop threadjacking!


Back ON TOPIC...

The civs I think might have a chance of getting in:

- Spanish
- Carthaginians
- Celts
- Vikings
- Mongols
- Arabs
- Incas
- Koreans

So therefore I agree with much of the consensus here.

As for UU's, Spanish = Conquistador, Carthage = ??? Some kind of elephant (elephant archer maybe), Celts = Woad Raider, Vikings = Longboat (or Berserker), Mongols = Mangudai, Arabs = Mameluke, Incas = ???, Koreans = Turtle ship

Sure a lot of them are the same as the UUs in AOE II, but that's because there is some history behind such units.

	03-05-2002 09:50									#16
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Oh, now I get accused of threadjacking and not Tuberski?

	03-05-2002 09:50									#17
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Ok, what civs will get in.

Arabs
Spanish
Vikings
Mongols
Incas
Sioux
Carthaginians
Mayans

	03-05-2002 09:58									#18
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yea yea, Imran gets to convulute English, because I know him.

	03-05-2002 10:23									#19
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Here's what I posted in the Civilizations forum
Alright, we have to remember Firaxis is going to try to keep sort of a balance in terms of cultural regions (mediterranean, Asian, Middle East, American, european)
I have also come to the realization that the civ picture can be broken down in to three brackets

Shoe-Ins
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1. Mongols (asia)
2. Spain (europe)
3. Inca (America)
4. Carthage (mediterranean)
5. Vikings (europe)

From here on out, three further civs will appear in the game

Contenders
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Arabs
Hebrews
Ethiopians
Turks
Koreans

On the outside, looking in
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Polynesians
Nubians
Celts
Dutch
Maya
Cherokee/Sioux

I think the Turks are the most interesting wildcard in all of this. In that, they are very unlikely to be included if the Arabs are included, since I think it is more likely Firaxis will group the turks under the Arab umbrella than the Arabs under the Turkish umbrella. However, they are the once civ that can justifiably considered part of two different culture groups. But in any scenario that they do get in the game, it would almost have to be one where the Arabs are out.
An interesting dark horse in all of this could be Nubia. All it would take is for Firaxis to deciede to that they would be a better African civ to add than Ethiopia/Axum and they are very likely to make it in. Interestingly, Nubia did make it in to the recent Rise of Nations roster. Darkhorse civs Khmer and Polynesia are in a similar situation, however I think Korea is on more stable ground than it's Ethiopian couterpart.
With that said, I'm going to go on the record with an 8 civ prediction for the first time in this thread. I say it will be the 5 shoe-ins, plus
6. Arabs (middle east)
7. Korea (asia)
8. Ethiopians/Aksumites (middle east)

	03-05-2002 10:38									#20
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Spain Could Be Mediterranean That would solve some problems.
The Arabs could be asian. Here is my list.

Spain (mediterranean)
Carthage (mediterranean)

Inca
Isreal

Vikings (europe)
Celts

Mongols (asia)
Arabs (asia)

	03-05-2002 10:47									#21
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Good UU's Might be...

Spanish: Conquistador

Vikings: Longship (that would suck for anyone wanting to play as the vikings)

Celts: probaly some upgraded warrior

These civs could be same as AOE II Mongols Korea Arabs

Poblem is what would therse civs get: Polish Inca Ethiopia
Inca Hebrews

	03-05-2002 11:32									#22
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Why does all the Civs have to be existing civilisations? why can't the player Name his own civ, choose the troop they want the UU for and the era they want the Golden age for, that would be far more player friendly and more Unique in the game

Oh and PS. Microsoft XP is Microsoft Expansion Numb Nuts, so the XP is not exclusive Pah!

	03-05-2002 12:46									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Eroberer Not trying to be funny, jackass. I just see all these "Apolytoners" in the Civ3 General forum being misled, and it makes me want to puke.

You succeeded extremely well in not being funny, as you're simply stupid and annoying, although it's quite laughable that you're not smart enough to avoid falling into your own trap:

Why do you write that this makes Windows want to puke? Or are you so retarded that you don't know that "me" is Windows Millenium Edition?

	03-05-2002 13:20									#24
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definitely

Spain
Arabs
Hebrew

I'd like to see:

Portuguese
Turkish
Bizantyne
Mongols (but they already included their GL in the Chinese civ)

Might be in but I do not care
Vikings
Mayas
Incas
Celtic
Carthaginians
Koreans

	03-05-2002 17:34									#25
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Dutch uu: yacht (fast naval scout used to discover Australia)

	03-05-2002 20:18									#26
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I dont see why people keep on making a big deal about XP ( Expansion Pack ) having the same initials as XP ( Windows XP). People have used XP as expansion pack before microsoft used it for its product. Following the logic of some I cant say ME andymore ( Cause of Windows ME) , I cant make reference to the years 98 or 95 anymore ( Windows 95 98) either. Nor can I ever say SE ( Second edition , since there was a Windows 98 SE ). Quit your whining some people are confused by the use of the letter XP at first , but then then they are informed of our usage of the letters XP.

Im sorry back to the reason I was responding. Dom Pedro where are these horses for the Sioux horsemen going to come from? if you go by Marlas World map theres no horses in the americas, and the AI cant seem to trade with Europe for a few thousand years into the game.

	03-05-2002 21:30									#27
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If I am optimistic, but somewhat realistic I would have to say:

Definitely
1. Spanish
2. Vikings
3. Mongols
4. Inca

Most likely
5. Phoenicians
6. Koreans
7. Turks
8. Ethiopians

Other possibilities are the Arabs, Portuguese, Dutch, Malians, Huns, and Khmer.

Personally, I would like to see:

1. Spanish
2. Vikings
3. Mongols
4. Koreans
5. Turks
6. Dutch
7. Portuguese
8. Khmer

But that's just me.

	03-05-2002 21:41									#28
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Well, I see most people have said Carthaginians as a possibility, which leads me to believe that IF Firaxis does include it, there will be some sort of Elephant unique unit since Hannibal was the guy who took the elephants across the Alps. If that does happen, there will be TWO Elephant units in the game, which begs the question then: will the programmers feel the need to make an Elephant tile resource that will be required to build those units?


BTW, I'm liking alot of the responses I've got so far... I'm glad to see the thread's been a bit of a success.

	03-05-2002 21:56									#29
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I'm surprised that with all the uproar over which civs made it into the original game, there haven't been more oddball candidates thrown in. Interesting candidates to fill gaps in the map placement (the expansion WILL have set starting locations, right? Right?) might be the Inuit, an Australian aborigine civ, or possibly one of the West African empires such as Ghana or Mali. The Sioux might also fit into this category as well.

Of course, if any civs like these were put in, there would be another wave of ranting about the civ selection, which would be almost as fun as the fact itself of having civs to fill these holes on the world map.

	03-05-2002 22:01									#30
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Why would anyone want the Sioux when half of the people already think the Iroquois were unnecessary? There's no more room for space fillers. They'll probably add one South American (Inca) and one African (Ethiopians) space filler, but there are so many far more deserving ones that are on the edge like the Turks, Koreans, Portuguese, and Dutch.