18-05-2002 18:49									#31
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Anyway there are over a million troups at the borders. There is certainly the potential for escalation and another attack such as occured in the India parlament will certainly set it off next time. In the mean time you have fanatics dreaming up new ways every day on how they can set it off.

	18-05-2002 18:53									#32
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NEW DELHI, India, May 18, 2002 (AP WorldStream via COMTEX) -- India tells Pakistan ambassador to leave.

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	18-05-2002 19:34									#33
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This situation looks bad, hopefully if a war breaks out, each side can refrain from using nuclear weapons. I suppose if war breaks out we could launch an expeditionary force into the Tribal Area of Pakistan that nobody controls, because obviously in such a situation Pakistan would not be able to help us or stop us from going in ourselves.

	18-05-2002 20:22									#34
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quote: I suppose if war breaks out we could launch an expeditionary force into the Tribal Area of Pakistan that nobody controls, because obviously in such a situation Pakistan would not be able to help us or stop us from going in ourselves.

When war breaks out, Pakistan will need all the help they can get, including support from pro-taliban and former taliban forces.

Also, it's very unlikely Pakistan will allow foreign troops within it's border, unless those foreign troops actually help to defend Pakistan.

	18-05-2002 20:40									#35
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"When war breaks out, Pakistan will need all the help they can get, including support from pro-taliban and former taliban forces."

Maybe, but they also know they need to prevent the USA from siding against them in order to win.

"Also, it's very unlikely Pakistan will allow foreign troops within it's border, unless those foreign troops actually help to defend Pakistan."

Considering the precariousness of the situation they would be in a war and because they wan't us to take India's side, they might not have much of a choice. We can also bribe them with covert aid.....

	18-05-2002 20:56									#36
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quote: Maybe, but they also know they need to prevent the USA from siding against them in order to win.

The US won't side against anyone in this conflict. There is too much too lose.

quote: Considering the precariousness of the situation they would be in a war and because they wan't us to take India's side, they might not have much of a choice.

I think you don't understand the severity of the situation. If a war between India and Pakistan starts it will be biggest war that the world has seen in quite some time.

Reasons why Pakistan won't allow foreign troops within their borders:

1. Foreign troops will be after "terrorist" sympatisers, many of which are Pakistani. The Pakistani people will see this as American helping India, and Musharaf letting them.
2. Both India and Pakistan may fire on foreign troops present in Pakistan in the heat of battle.

Most likely, when war starts Musharaf will ask the US for help, or kindly request American forces to leave Pakistan for their own safety. The US, won't risk the lives of their soldiers in this instance, and will withdraw forces to Pakistan, while in the meantime trying to solve the situation diplomatically.

	18-05-2002 20:58									#37
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Anyway, if you are right and the US will betray it's new ally Pakistan and side with India, the US will lose all support from the Muslim world, which will be extremely bad in the war against terrorism, and a possible war against Iraq.

	18-05-2002 21:54									#38
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	18-05-2002 22:28									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion I'm afraid they'll nuke each other, and that will be it, for the military aspect. Noone but possibly China is going to join in, and the biggest problem won't be the dead down there but rather the environmental consequences.

Now you are really starting to sound like a Nazi.

Ned

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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Anyway, if you are right and the US will betray it's new ally Pakistan and side with India, the US will lose all support from the Muslim world, which will be extremely bad in the war against terrorism, and a possible war against Iraq.

I dont think the war against terrorism will have any meaning while two nuclear powers are warring.

	18-05-2002 22:47									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Should a war start, who will the US back? India has been a long time ally, but since sept.11th Bush has gotten very cozy with Musharaf.

Saint Marcus, The U.S. has never been an ally of India. We have always sided with Pakistan. We have even moved carriers in to threaten India in order to stop prior wars.

The only thing that has changed from those days to now is the new "Hindu" government in India that really wants to be friends with the U.S. They know that they can never win a war with Pakistan so long as the U.S. stands in its way.

After 9/11, we need Pakistan to be an ally in the war against terror. Musharraf simply must crack cown on anti-Indian terrorist groups. If he refuses to co-operate, or, like Arafat, gives is only words, we could threaten him with loss of U.S. support. But, we need action, and fast.

America's inaction suggests that we are thinking carefully about the situation. We may be thinking about switching sides and joining India.

Ned

	18-05-2002 22:51									#42
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , anyone thought about a pact between Israel and India , ......... they allready do their missile drill's together ,............. and , ahem , make their missile's land in the Med , a few yards from a US carrier , who did not saw them coming , ...... have a nice day

There is talk in the U.S. of the U.S., Israel, India and Russia forming an alliance against terror. What do you think?

The EU, save for England, seems to be on the wrong side.

Ned

	18-05-2002 23:02									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Ned There is talk in the U.S. of the U.S., Israel, India and Russia forming an alliance against terror. What do you think? The EU, save for England, seems to be on the wrong side. Ned

hi ,

hmmmmm , sounds good , but it will not work , why , okay , Israel can not work in the US , but the US can work in Israel , ....grrrr, everything stands and falls with communication and intel , .......

a pact with Israel , Greece and India could have a large impact , for the moment their is a pact like that , and the results are , well, very high , .......

as for the rest , the US and the EU are both fighting over the fact that Israel should chose one or the other , ........and in their fighting they forget the essence , ...........

like before , the US , did not see the missile's on their radar , that the Israeli and Indian navy's fired from the Indian Ocean to the MED , .....

and those missile's where fired from a torpedo tube , ........ made in Israel , .......

have a nice day

	19-05-2002 00:38									#44
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How about an international plebicite on the status of Kashmir. Let the Kashmiris decide of which country they wish to be part or for indpendence (which is what all three occupiers fear)?

	19-05-2002 00:39									#45
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Greece? I thought Israel was allied with Turkey? Ned

	19-05-2002 00:42									#46
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara How about an international plebicite on the status of Kashmir. Let the Kashmiris decide of which country they wish to be part or for indpendence (which is what all three occupiers fear)?

Better to leave it with one of them. Or to divide it among them. It is landlocked wasteland. Those don't do well as independant states...

	19-05-2002 00:42									#47
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Oh, btw what are the 3 claimants? Anybody have a map of the region?

	19-05-2002 00:43									#48
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But it's mineral rich, and the central valley is quite pleasant when things aren't exploding, I'm led to believe.


Pakistan, India, and China all have pieces.

	19-05-2002 00:44									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Greece? I thought Israel was allied with Turkey? Ned

hi ,

yep , but that is only on certain things , when it comes to anti terrorist , nothing to do with 9-11 , it was there since about 1996 , intel of all types , training , on a small scale , in-flight refueling , interception of airplanes , person's , ship's , etc , .......
the war on narcotics , the war on human-trade , ......etc , ....

have a nice day

	19-05-2002 01:20									#50
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quote: Should a war start, who will the US back? India has been a long time ally, but since sept.11th Bush has gotten very cozy with Musharaf.

Say what? India a long time ally? During the entire Cold War, Pakistan has been the US's close ally in the region.

quote: How about an international plebicite on the status of Kashmir. Let the Kashmiris decide of which country they wish to be part or for indpendence (which is what all three occupiers fear)?

Pakistan would probably love a plebicite, and India would hate it. Seeing as the majority of Jammu and Kashmir are Muslims, there would seem to be more support to be integrated into Pakistan than India.

	19-05-2002 01:30									#51
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I think that if a plebicite was held (ha!) most would opt for independence.

	19-05-2002 01:42									#52
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And then you'd have a three-way war b/t India, Kashmir and Pakistan. Things are barely stable now, but a plebscite could easily lead to a war.

	19-05-2002 01:46									#53
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Who here is in favor of self-determination? Let the people of Kashmir vote. Let the US back up that vote with the US Army if necessary.

	19-05-2002 01:47									#54
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India promised the U.N. that it would hold a plebicite but it never has done so.

	19-05-2002 02:03									#55
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quote: Who here is in favor of self-determination? Let the people of Kashmir vote. Let the US back up that vote with the US Army if necessary.

And while we're at it, do the same in Palestina.

	19-05-2002 02:04									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus And while we're at it, do the same in Palestina.

Unless you have something up your sleeve, I agree. Ned

	19-05-2002 02:04									#57
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Give it to China. That way, India and Pakistan will stand united to kick the Chinese out of south asia.

	19-05-2002 02:08									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Who here is in favor of self-determination? Let the people of Kashmir vote. Let the US back up that vote with the US Army if necessary.

So the US can get its ass shot at in Kashmir too? Just what we need, another example of America's imperialism. And we can piss off the Hindus while were at it, get two of the worlds religions against us!

	19-05-2002 02:25									#59
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At least we'd bring the Hindus and Muslims together.

	19-05-2002 02:25									#60
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When in doubt, self-determination is always the best policy.