29-05-2002 00:00									#31
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Hey guys, I know i dont really care about any of this. But im a little slow with these fancy slogans and abreviations you use. My world revolves around women and realistic things a bit... But what on gods earth is Pbem? And how the hell did you get so many posts about something i have no clue about? hehe.... must be another idoacy thing at work. And sean, Spread the love some more. Come on... Talk some more smack about everyone and how you did there mother's too... Its great listening to the fights. Hehe...


Bud.

	29-05-2002 00:04									#32
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also... To the talk about everyones mother, for those who arent so bright, and I wont segrate you... hehe It was Sarcasim, because sean is a ***** when it comes to attacking people's personal Life. Sean stay out of it, seriously dude, one day it will catch up. There are some big big civ guys out there. Like gary for one man. Strategicking is like almost 7 feet. Could kill a bug with one little look. He is a monster i tell you. Huge bastard, great big strong arms. Scared me a little, its why i let him win the last few games. Ask Diety or Dank man, they'll tell you. Strategicking is a ruthless Sob.

Bud

	29-05-2002 00:04									#33
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What _is_ it about Michigan?

	29-05-2002 00:25									#34
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker Now I will complain about you are complaining. Simply agree with the opponents about the game speed or set the time limit. Or don't play with slow people. It is easy. For me the starting position is very interesting and in the SP I am prepared to think one hour about it. Seriously. (And be sure I warned Eyes before our game.)

I don't think that was a complaint, more of a question, what the F takes that long.

I refuse to set time limits, because there are legitimate reasons to exceed them. (a family crisis, a disconnect, or a 100 unit attack) BUT I make it a habit to NOT play with slow people. I like to give the person the benefit of the doubt and not rely on one game to determine it, (despite it being evident quickly)
I will usually nicely recommend that a player should speed up a bit, but if they don't take the hint, CYA.

If you want to take an hour to figure your first move, please stick to SP, I doubt you will find many repeat MP games.

RAH

	29-05-2002 00:36									#35
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Spike, Michigan is taking over the civ world, didnt you see this comming? We are a controlling sanctioned party, out to spread the stratigic minds of so many of our dear brethren to the world. Were going to become a cult. We already have the stragness for it... Hehe... Jk, but damn the capabilities behind our minds... *sighs* Michigan is the shi-t. But still wtf is Pbem? hehe....

	29-05-2002 00:43									#36
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In the unlikely event that you are not a trolling DL ...

PBEM = Play By E-Mail ...

SG[1]

	29-05-2002 00:46									#37
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Please be excusing Michiganers.

	29-05-2002 00:48									#38
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Do you want to know why Eyes loves me?

See the end of this page, this is my first meeting with Eyes:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...26&pagenumber=1

	29-05-2002 00:56									#39
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Play by Email? what the hell is that? Hehehe... My the way we progress. hehe... And sean hates everyone. its just his nature, but i think that is just a show for the world of civ.

	29-05-2002 01:03									#40
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker Do you want to know why Eyes loves me? See the end of this page, this is my first meeting with Eyes: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...26&pagenumber=1

Ah -- I see that you two hit it off from the start then!

SG[1]

	29-05-2002 05:13									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits In the unlikely event that you are not a trolling DL ... PBEM = Play By E-Mail ... SG[1]

Naah, trust me, bud is not a DL, he has a long GL history

	29-05-2002 06:47									#42
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker Simply agree with the opponents about the game speed or set the time limit.

I like time clocks too - it stops alot of the *****ing about time length - but I can see RAH's point to about special situations.

I think a real long time clock (30 mins) rather then nothing is the way to go. That way people can factually see how long thier turn is taking compared to others.

quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker For me the starting position is very interesting and in the SP I am prepared to think one hour about it.

You can't be serious.

	29-05-2002 06:53									#43
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Study your tactics on other's turn. Jee-zus.
I have to bottom line agree with Eyes on the season's changing waiting on a turn.

	29-05-2002 07:09									#44
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In SP I'm prepared to think about 10 secs on my start position. In MP it's about 5 secs.

	29-05-2002 12:44									#45
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Ok, now ive been away from the civ seen, but are you guys serious, like for real... Playing a turn at a time or so by email? What in gods name is this ****? you got to be kidding me. I mean to be honest, ok if you want a game every year maybe.... Cool. But for the love of *****..... what on earth? my longest turn was like 15-30 minutes. Not no damn email. I must say i totally agree with sean. And Normally i would say what ever he stood against. But come on.... Play by mail? Sean is right here guys..... I hate to say it.

	29-05-2002 13:43									#46
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Bud - for several of us the pressures of RL preclude any other form MP - rather take several months (years?) to play a good game with friends than never have any MP.

SG[1]

	29-05-2002 16:24									#47
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Problem is, you could end up playing for 6 months or so before you realise the game's going to be a walkover by one player.

	29-05-2002 16:31									#48
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Yup - but the two games I'm involved in at the moment have circumvented that - one is on a 'balanced' map the other is a scenario -- again, something is better than nothing -- I'm 54, loved this game for what 8 years? and don't intend giving it up just cos Morrowind is published in the UK on Friday - but it might slow me down a little

SG[1]

	30-05-2002 02:59									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker For me the starting position is very interesting and in the SP I am prepared to think one hour about it. You can't be serious.

Not fully, but...
You know, I am a beginner, I have played less than 10 games and usually didn't go over 0AD.
I took only one game very seriously, the Campo Challenge 1. In this game, I thought much more than one hour about the starting position, because I had to find also a system how to compare and evaluate different decisions.
See my posts 23-04-2002 19:15 and 25-04-2002 15:43 if you want to understand why I am so slow.
But I have got some experience thanks to that game: if I would start a game with a similar starting position (a river) now, I would think a couple of minutes only. (The non-river position would be complicated again - questions about building one or two cities, roads or no roads...)

But I am speaking about a game that I approach very seriously. I can play a "light" game faster. But the serious approach is more interesting for me now.

	30-05-2002 03:23									#50
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker But I am speaking about a game that I approach very seriously. I can play a "light" game faster. But the serious approach is more interesting for me now.

Then by all means stick to PBEM games and not try a MP game. Your "serious" approach won't be very interesting for the people that have to wait an hour for your first turn


And I still don't understand what could possibly take an hour except for indecision...

	30-05-2002 03:32									#51
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Do what you like on SP.

I have to say I am somewhat confused that someone that has played as little civ as yourself is so focused on working out the exact minutiae of how the game works, and so involved with research both here and at CF. Care to enlighten us?

	30-05-2002 05:04									#52
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This is an aspect I never understood here: it seems most players play civ contentedly and don't care about exact rules and game mechanics.

Will you learn rules before you will play chess?

	30-05-2002 05:07									#53
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Who stole my vote???

	30-05-2002 05:12									#54
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker This is an aspect I never understood here: it seems most players play civ contentedly and don't care about exact rules and game mechanics.

HA HA HA HA HA HA... You're killing me. You are making a very BAD ASSUMPTION if you think that this is the case with most of us.
I was disecting the game machanics the day it came out. Many of us have contributed greatly to the overall understanding of the game and the rules that govern it. We have a very strong working knowledge of the game, how it works, and most importantly, how best to take advantage of those rules and quirks in a real game situation.

And the real key fact is, we don't need an hour to make a turn

	30-05-2002 05:37									#55
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I would like to play PBEM. I think it would be cool for big games. And there would be less complaints about slow play.

We tried it with the "big Aussie" five way but someone **cough** Hydey *cough, cough* couldn't be bothered sending on the saves and it quickly collapsed.

	30-05-2002 15:27									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I would like to play PBEM. I think it would be cool for big games. And there would be less complaints about slow play. We tried it with the "big Aussie" five way but someone **cough** Hydey *cough, cough* couldn't be bothered sending on the saves and it quickly collapsed.

Well I sent them on when someone bothered to send them to me , never took more than 5 hours from reaching my address to be played and sent on but somehow it did not continue.

	30-05-2002 15:31									#57
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I'm always up for a new PBEM Horsey - bring it on ...

SG[1]

	30-05-2002 22:06									#58
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I'd go for it with the right players, but a scenario, not the base game, that would take to damn long (at least 250 turns=at MINIMUM one year or more).

If SG and Horsey would care to try a scenario PBEM, I'm game.

Sending the save isn't needed, just post it on the forum, all you have to do is check the thread.

	30-05-2002 22:32									#59
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Does anyone else find it ironic that a thread started to make fun of it might encourage using it more?

	31-05-2002 00:01									#60
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Ming,

Take the corruption formula (Corruption and waste )as an example: the constants that affect the corruption level under different governments are very useful for strategic decisions. But it looks nobody missed them last 5 years.
I suppose most players gained some intuitive notion about the corruption level in different governments and they were contented.

Or take the low wants of condensed information. The facts collected in the Info: combat thread are very important. Do you want to say that each player had his own version of collected combat fact and held it back?

quote: Many of us have contributed greatly to the overall understanding of the game and the rules that govern it.

Yes, I agree. But "many of us" is a "very small minority". I would suppose the present-day amount of knowledge should be revealed in first six months.

quote: Originally posted by Ming And the real key fact is, we don't need an hour to make a turn

...and you play poorly
Oh, you ordinary civ players...

( SlowThinker, feeling like Eyes2)