24-05-2002 11:52									#1
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Ok, this has become an entirely separate topic from Orange's original thread's topic about voluntary segregation, so in respect to Orange's thread, let's stop the thread jacking, and continue the discussion here.


Has there been a long history of persecutions against white Northern Europeans because of their race?

Has there been a long history of persecutions against heterosexual men because of their sexual orientation?



I will try to contain my laughter as some of you guys try to give me legitimate examples in answer to those two questions.

Also, if you cannot seriously try, then I will permit you to use your imagination and creativity.


PS: I do not believe in the strawman argument that affirmative action is reverse racism or reverse discrimination.

	24-05-2002 11:54									#2
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That is irrevelant.

There are no persecutions. I agree. Just because we haven't suffered means we we can't have the same rights as african/americans or gays?

Yes I mean rights. Becuase stuff in the other thread says we don't have the right to form certain groups.

But you are right. We haven't been persecuted because of race, only because of religion or nationality which is different.

	24-05-2002 11:57									#3
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Everyone deserves equal rights, and whites should celebrate their ethnic, cultural heritages. These are definitely legitimate.

Advocacy groups and organizations for whites are meaningless and function merely as spiteful mockery of the legitimate organizations for minority groups.

Or, they were set up by delusioned, paranoid whites who actually believe theirs serve a legitimate purpose.

	24-05-2002 11:59									#4
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well I agree those groups are spiteful mockeries.

But suppose a legitimate group came about? would they be accepted? same question as other thread.

	24-05-2002 12:02									#5
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this'll give you a laugh...(hopefully!)

I read MrFun's response, that he created a new thread about where he was taking the topic...

i go back to the main forum page and first thread I see is "Farm Animal Rights"

I did a double take

	24-05-2002 12:02									#6
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How can you agree with me, then say that a legitimate group such as that is possible for a majority group that has always been in power, and remains in power to this day??

	24-05-2002 12:02									#7
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eh, can't stay to debate off to bed. Last day at uni! I'm outta here for the summer

Good night all

	24-05-2002 12:03									#8
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quote: Originally posted by orange this'll give you a laugh...(hopefully!) I read MrFun's response, that he created a new thread about where he was taking the topic... i go back to the main forum page and first thread I see is "Farm Animal Rights" I did a double take

Now, to the topic.

	24-05-2002 12:03									#9
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Mr. Fun, nobody cares so much who was persecuted. there's no bragging contest for victim status, except for among PC knee-jer liberals...err like you!

	24-05-2002 20:14									#10
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First off, I'm not a PC extremist -- I just do not believe in using deragatory stereotype labels and images.

Secondly, I see that no one has been able to answer my two questions.

	24-05-2002 20:19									#11
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Everyone deserves equal rights, and whites should celebrate their ethnic, cultural heritages. These are definitely legitimate.

Yeah, our ancient and loved traditions of slavery, witch-hunting, crossburning most be perserved as well as out arrogant lifestyle!!

	24-05-2002 20:23									#12
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Kropotkin -- I know you're joking, but do remember that every race, and every civilization have been guilty of at least one serious crime against humanity at certain points of history.

What I do not understand is this perceived need for advocacy groups for white, straight men.

	24-05-2002 20:24									#13
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The sun persecutes whites more than darker skinned people! I demand affirmative action against the sun... free tanning pills or something

	24-05-2002 20:31									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Aeson The sun persecutes whites more than darker skinned people! I demand affirmative action against the sun... free tanning pills or something

Then go join the National Association for Advancement of White People. You might be able to convince them to organize a nation-wide protest for free tanning pills.

	24-05-2002 20:34									#15
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If it was the National Association for the Advancement of Lighter People I would! Or if I wasn't so lazy

	24-05-2002 20:59									#16
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Maybe you dont see a need for these white advocacy groups MrFun, but to accuse them of being racists is racist. You obviously dont really believe in equal rights for all.

	24-05-2002 21:07									#17
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I hate double posts.

	24-05-2002 21:07									#18
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Cal, I am VERY much for equal rights.

Those type of people in white advocacy gorups are not necessarily racist, but delusioned, paranoid, insecure, or for some of them -- actually racist.

Since you posted on my thread, care to answer my two initial questions? I even give permission for use of imagination and creativity to provide me with some comic relief.

	24-05-2002 21:10									#19
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we have a "culture club" in our school, where people can join and represent their cultures (ie we saw a traditional japanese dance, we saw some indian dance).

we were FORCED to see it, because our princpal has a pet project entitled "A World of Difference". he also FORCED us to sign some stupid "contract" pledging allegiance to unbiased, anti-racist propaganda. forcing people to sign something isn't going to stop it. we've had 3 race-related fights this year, despite the programs "cramming it down your throat" attitude.

	24-05-2002 21:12									#20
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Jeez, how awful for you, Uber. Maybe it was all that "cultural enrichment" that forced you to proudly display Nazi and other white supremacist symbols.

On the other hand, maybe you're just a jackass.

	24-05-2002 21:15									#21
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Geez, Guy -- try to avoid flaming and trolling so much.

Some people just do not realize that they're ignorant.

And Uber does have one point -- there are right ways, and there are wrong ways to implement cultural appreciation in our schools.

	24-05-2002 21:17									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Jeez, how awful for you, Uber. Maybe it was all that "cultural enrichment" that forced you to proudly display Nazi and other white supremacist symbols. On the other hand, maybe you're just a jackass.

"cultural enrichment" my ass. there was one presentation where several african american girls got up on the stage. i was planning to see some traditional african dance or something, but they all walked out in ripped jeans and halter tops.

still, i was still thinking, maybe even *hoping* for a traditional african dance.

then the music started.

the first words out of the tape recording were "yo yo yo mah nigg--" and i immediately thought "oh what a great example to represent your culture with".

it was far from enriching, unless you consider "enriching" to mean "adding fertilizer to".

	24-05-2002 21:20									#23
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I will try to contain my laughter as some of you guys try to give me legitimate examples in answer to those two questions.

Cromwell and the Potato Famine don't count?

	24-05-2002 21:24									#24
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Lonestar, do Irish really belong with the white Northern European race just because of their geographic location?

I think you know what I really meant by white Northern European: English, German, French, Dutch, Scandinavian.

Irish certainly are of a white race, and they have been repeatedly subjected to crimes against humanity.

But this is what I meant by white Northern Europeans -- the ones listed above.

	24-05-2002 21:25									#25
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On a serious note, there were forms of persecution on whites in this country early on. Irish immigrants were treated rather badly at times. Indentured servants didn't have things all that great either, although they were doing something to improve their position. Not what you'd compare to slavery, but just about on par with how homosexuals have been treated in the past.

There is also a form of financial oppression. It can be overcome, but it's still there. Children are born into poverty and/or ignorant surroundings, and as such are denied opportunities they might otherwise have had. It affects the poor and always has, regardless of race.

I don't see what "a long history" has to do with anything though. If I had been born with different colored skin that shouldn't change anything. I still wouldn't be a slave. Dwelling on past wrongs just leads to future wrongs.

I find white advocacy groups repulsive, not because of the skin color they promote, but because they are advocacy groups. If people would stop thinking about things in terms of race we would all be better off. A humanitarian advocacy group that encompasses anyone trying to get their fair shake would be much more powerful than all these seperate groups, and wouldn't divide us against each other.

It's the only advocacy group that should exist.

	24-05-2002 21:25									#26
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this is just rediculous

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	24-05-2002 21:26									#27
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The Irish wren't cosidered white for a long time, you know. There's a good book on the subject of Irish oppression, How the Irish Became White.

	24-05-2002 21:28									#28
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Lonestar, do Irish really belong with the white Northern European race just because of their geographic location?

Yes....

quote: I think you know what I really meant by white Northern European: English, German, French, Dutch, Scandinavian. Irish certainly are of a white race, and they have been repeatedly subjected to crimes against humanity. But this is what I meant by white Northern Europeans -- the ones listed above.

Well, hell yes. Don't you remember all that "population transfer" the Russians did to the Germans post WW2?

Dutch were oppressed by the Spanish.

	24-05-2002 21:31									#29
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Ok, thank you for your answers, Aeson and Lone Star. There were whites who persecuted other whites because of their race.

Now, have heterosexuals been persecuted because of their sexual orientation??

	24-05-2002 21:32									#30
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Irish certainly are of a white race, and they have been repeatedly subjected to crimes against humanity.

Quite a loaded question you are forming there MrFun. If you qualify only 'non-persecuted' peoples as white northern Europeans then of course they haven't been persecuted.