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DinoDoc is offline DinoDoc
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WEST POINT, N.Y. - President Bush pressed his case Saturday to expand the war against terrorism, telling a new batch of Army officers that America must not only respond to threats but battle a new kind of enemy forcefully and head-on by taking preemptive action.

Bush told the first class to graduate from the U.S. Military Academy since the Sept. 11 attack on America that ''the promise of massive retaliation against nations'' is not enough to guard against ``shadowy terrorist networks with no nation or citizens to defend.''

NO CONTAINMENT

''The war on terror will not be won on the defensive,'' he said. ''We must take the battle to the enemy, disrupt his plans and confront the worst threats before they emerge.'' The president said a policy of containment would not work against ''unbalanced dictators'' with weapons of mass destruction that can be delivered on planes or sold to terrorists.

Bush appeared to issue a veiled threat to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, though he never mentioned the man or the country by name.

''We cannot defend America and our friends by hoping for the best,'' he said. ``If we wait for threats to fully materialize, we will have waited too long.''

Standing at one end of Michie Stadium on a balmy, cloudless morning, Bush told 958 graduates celebrating West Point's 200th anniversary that they would ``stand between your fellow citizens and grave danger.''

''All nations that decide for aggression and terror will pay a price,'' he said. ``We will not leave the safety of America and the peace of the planet at the mercy of a few mad terrorists and tyrants. We will lift this dark threat from our country and from the world.''

Bush made clear that the terrorist risk remains.

''The dangers have not passed,'' he said. ``This government and the American people are on watch. We are ready, because we know the terrorists have more money and more men and more plans.''

MORAL FOUNDATION

Following a European trip in which he confronted opposition to U.S policies, Bush carefully laid a moral foundation for the war on terrorism.

''Some worry that it is somehow undiplomatic or impolite to speak the language of right and wrong. I disagree,'' he said. ``Different circumstances require different methods, but not different moralities. . . . Targeting innocent civilians for murder is always and everywhere wrong. . . .

''There can be no neutrality between justice and cruelty, between the innocent and the guilty. We are in a conflict between good and evil and America will call evil by its name,'' Bush said. ``By confronting evil and lawless regimes, we do not create a problem, we reveal a problem. And we will lead the world in opposing it.''


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Amen.. Now lets get on with it already. You cant fight a war on terror on the defensive. Lets get rid of Saddam and get the hell out of Saudi Arabia.

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Khatami is waiting...

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what the hell is that supposed to mean? Surely, he knows doing anything to Iraqi soviergnty would bring about a heavy American response. (thats been stated time again.)

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Mohammed Khatami is waiting... talking Italian...

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So, we're gonna keep Iran out while letting Turkey occupy Northern Iraq? Seems two-faced.

If we go into Iraq, we're gonna have to stay in Iraq to keep it together as a territorial entity. Otherwise it breaks up into a Kurdistan, a poor Sunni Arab republic around Bagdad, and a Southern oil-rich Shi'ite state.

It's time to stop this madman at our helm. One can only hope that it will be proven that the Administration knew and did nothing. . . . of course, that might prompt them to proclaim the Republic of Gilead.

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So, we're gonna keep Iran out while letting Turkey occupy Northern Iraq? Seems two-faced.

If we go into Iraq, we're gonna have to stay in Iraq to keep it together as a territorial entity. Otherwise it breaks up into a Kurdistan, a poor Sunni Arab republic around Bagdad, and a Southern oil-rich Shi'ite state.

It's time to stop this madman at our helm. One can only hope that it will be proven that the Administration knew and did nothing. . . . of course, that might prompt them to proclaim the Republic of Gilead.


Che, What do you mean by "stop?"

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Impeached and removed from office.

I would never advocate the assassination of the President. Not in public.

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"Impeached and removed from office."

What do you think the chances of that are?

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Slim to none. But then at the begining of Watergate, who woulda thunk Nixon would have to resign?

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"But then at the begining of Watergate, who woulda thunk Nixon would have to resign?"

Nobody in their right mind.

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"moral foundation" - LMGDFAO!!!!

Ok, "preemptive" actions taken or considered by the Bush regime so far:
- A retroactive tax cut for the best contributing corporations ("economic security", ya know?)
- Allowing the (in)security apparatus to sniff everywhere (something for the police state lovers)
- Attacking Iraq (For the nutty right wing and the oil industry)
- Steel tariffs (American steel for american weapons, or so - sure applies to bananas too ?)
- pork spending all the way, no holds barred (with the other wing of the kleptocratic party happily joining in)
- Alaska oil drilling (to store terrorists in the holes?)
- An increased propaganda effort bordering on hysteria to keep the phony "war" on "terror" alive
- in the process doing the terrorists' business by spreading fear - but hey, that's sure worth it
- but it's convenient to detract from the insane corruption in his regime, like the Enronites, the energy commission, ****'s Halliburton...
- spreading the phony war to Cuba (guess Bro Jeb needs those cuban votes)
- a complete ****-up in the Israel/palestinian crisis
- a hypocrisy-based diplomacy failure in the India/Pakistan crisis
- strengthened the Mullahs in Iran with his Axis of Evil Bullcrap
- leaving the "war on terror" as a danger, an annoyance or a joke, depending on your level of cynicism

There sure is more, but let's look at preemptive actions not taken:

- Reforms at intelligence other than collecting more data that no one can analyse (but if targetted on an average citizen who unlike a terrorist will not seek to hide much, it's quite efficient)
- a consistent plan to get international agreement on fighting terrorism, not just those forms the Bush regime deems useful fighting - then he may have a little bit of right to use the word "moral"

After the routing of the Taliban regime, Bush has become the terrorists' best ally. Impeachment ? Can you add Cheney and the others in line to rout the whole gang ?

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phony "war"

Unfortunate word choice.

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well once ballard power and a few other companies start mass producing those desposts will be without a revenue source and then all hell will break loose in the middle east. That and their oppressive religion will make sure that nothing the west ever does in the middle east is going to amount to anything.

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The president said a policy of containment would not work against ''unbalanced dictators'' with weapons of mass destruction that can be delivered on planes or sold to terrorists.


Saddam and OBL hate each other; they'll never work together.

America is desperately short of tomahawks and other precision weapons, anyway, so any attack in the near future is unlikely.

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Unfortunate word choice.


Why, and does that mean you agree with the rest ?

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After his speech, Bush ordered air strike and invasion of Belgium. When pressed to explain his motives, Bush said darkly "You just don't see what's going to happen in 43 years. You just don't see."

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Moral foundation...?





power games, as always.

BTW has anybody seen the black model keyboard of Dell?

My, it looks VERY COOL. I want one.

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do they sell it separetely I wonder?

Or do you have to buy the whole black model? would be a drag...

anyways, terrorism must stop.

the only thing that keeps Europe from having to face it herself is that we don't go around screwing people over because we have the US doing it for us.

if we would have to do it ourselves, we would face terrorism.

and it would be much easier to strike at Europe because we are relaxed and have plenty of volunteers from our illastrious residents.

yep, the guys in the turbans know that it works. So we have to stand up and with one voice say NO.

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That USA attacks a country responsible of terror act against them. Okay.

The Bush & Co. look for Casus Belli in order have easy wars for economical & political purposes, no.

But we can do nothing against that. So just watch.

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yes a fine line.

no to terrorism and also no to the use of the term terrorism for other aims.

two front war.

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and we can do plenty besides showing our bare butts to the US President. (and keeping an eye to our own governments)

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Paiktis, is that you on the Avatar ?



What kind od game are you playing with your friend (Amator of Japanese bondage, uh ?) ?

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I'll just let you wonder

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Hum ... crual guy !

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Impeached and removed from office.

I would never advocate the assassination of the President. Not in public.


Oh what charges che? Or do you think we should take preemptive action to stop what he might do?

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Charges ? The Clinton impeachment has shown that anything will do, has it not ? How about DUI 20 odd years ago ?

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Out of curiosity, how many people against the idea of pre-emptive strikes are critical of the Israeli raid on Iraq in 1981?

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Judging that strike is a tough one. Anyway, what has it got to do with Bush ?

 
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