Apolyton Archive  |  Preserved copy of the Apolyton Civilization Site and its forums as they stood in September 2005. Read-only; nothing here can be posted to or replied to.  |  Forum index |  About this archive |  The 1998–2001 UBB forums
Today on Apolyton WARDELL INTERVIEW PROMO A.C.S. HISTORY CHAPTER 4 GET CIV4 /w FREE PLUS! A.C.S. PHOTO GALLERY GET A.O.M. V1.1
Apolyton Civilization Forums
main| civ2| civ3| civ4| smac| ctp2| ron| moo3| galciv| galciv2| alt| about|
ApolytonPLUS | register | search | faq | new posts | pm (-/-) | upload | members
hall of fame new! | civgroups | civgroups news | interviews | the column | radio | chat | directory | news | store | PLUS
Apolyton Civilization Forums : Powered by vBulletin version 2.0.3 Apolyton Civilization Forums > Miscellaneous > Archive > Off-Topic-Archive > Peace!? Arafat "agrees" to Clinton plan!
Show a Printable Version | Email This Page to Someone! | Receive updates to this thread | Report this to Apolyton news!

bottom of page
  
Author
Thread   
Pages (4): [ 1   2   3   4   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
Ned is offline Ned
Prince
of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 01:54
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#1 Report this post to a moderator
Peace!? Arafat &quot;agrees&quot; to Clinton plan! Support Apolyton

Now that Sharon has acted, Arafat has become reasonable. He has "agreed" to the Clinton plan.

Peace is at hand.

JERUSALEM (AP) - Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is prepared to accept a Mideast peace plan put forward by then-U.S. President Bill Clinton in December 2000, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported Friday.

In an interview at his Ramallah headquarters, Arafat told Haaretz reporter Akiva Eldar that he would take the Clinton plan without changes, Eldar told The Associated Press on Friday. "I am prepared to accept it, absolutely," Eldar quoted Arafat as saying, and he endorsed the points of the plan one by one, Eldar said.

Palestinian officials could not immediately be reached for comment on Friday.

Clinton presented the plan after a July summit meeting between Arafat and then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak broke down without an agreement. According to the plan, the Palestinians would set up a state in 95 percent of the West Bank and all of Gaza and would gain sovereignty over Arab quarters in Jerusalem and a hotly disputed holy site.


The plan also called on the Palestinians to drastically scale back their demand for all refugees and their descendants from the 1948-49 war that followed Israel's creation, about 4 million people, to have the right to return to their original homes.

After Clinton presented his plan, the Palestinians said they accepted it with "deep reservations," asking for clarifications about all the key points.

Talks continued until late January 2001 but ended without agreement just before a special election, in which Barak was soundly defeated by hawkish Ariel Sharon. At that point, both Israel and the United States said their proposals were off the table.

Now Arafat is willing to sign on to the Clinton plan, Eldar wrote, calling it the first time the Palestinian leader has endorsed it. Arafat said Israel would receive sovereignty over the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem and the Western Wall, the last remaining remnant of the compound of the Jewish Temples, Judaism's holiest site.

Also, Arafat said he would be prepared for modifications in the line between Israel and the West Bank and exchanges of territory with Israel, principles the Palestinians have balked at up to now. The official Palestinian demand has been that Israel must pull back to the 1949 cease-fire line, relinquishing all of the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem and dismantling all Jewish settlements there.

Arafat did not repeat the demand for the right of return of all the refugees and their families to Israel, Eldar said. Instead, he said, a solution must be found for the 200,000 Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, adding that he was calling on European and other world bodies to help. Israel has refused to take in large numbers of refugees. Lebanon says there are 350,000 refugees there.

Lincoln is offline Lincoln
King
TN
Jul 2000
time: 05:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 01:59 Visit Lincoln's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#2 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

All we need now is for Clinton to get Sharon and Arafat to shake hands. I just heard that Bush is not going to make his speech (for Pal statehood) now. I am not holding my breath here. Hamas will blow something up if it looks like anything moderate starts to take form.

Kropotkin is offline Kropotkin
Emperor
of Ålidhem
Mar 1999
time: 06:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:01
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#3 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

A glimce of hope, wonder how long it will take before it's crusched brutaly?

Stefu is offline Stefu
Emperor
CLOWNS WIT DA DOWNS 4 LIFE YO!
Jan 1970
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:15 Visit Stefu's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#4 Report this post to a moderator
Put an end to popups!

So near, yet so far...

Legacy, that is.

Eli is offline Eli
Emperor
Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:16
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#5 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win



Suddenly it's good enough for him?

Too late Yasser. Judea&Samaria will be re-occupied in a few days for indefinite period of time.

MBD is offline MBD
Chieftain

May 1999
time: 05:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:16
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#6 Report this post to a moderator
Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

"wonder how long it will take before it's crushed brutally?"

probably just a few minutes.

Arafat probably understands that there's virtually no way the Israelis will agree to this, but it makes him look like the one who's trying to find a diplomatic solution.

Eli is offline Eli
Emperor
Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:18
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#7 Report this post to a moderator
Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote:
Originally posted by MBD
Arafat probably understands that there's virtually no way the Israelis will agree to this, but it makes him look like the one who's trying to find a diplomatic solution.


Not the first time. After the Dolphinarium, after Sbarro after that bloody day in Jerusalem and Haifa, after the murder of Gandhi... He suddenly wanted cease fire.

SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
King
of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:19 Visit SlowwHand's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#8 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Arafat is a weasel-faced liar, buying time until the next bomb explodes.

Sirotnikov is offline Sirotnikov
King
<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:27
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#9 Report this post to a moderator
Increase Your PM Length

That's exactly it.

He's buying time.

How come he didn't agree to it in December?

How come he didn't take the Tabaa talks, in which Israel gave more concessions than in the Clinton plan?

And anyway, it's not an official agreement. He said it to an Israeli journalist.

He could be lying (he already told journalists that Israelis are using palestinian dead kids for spare parts - seen it myself on Al-Jazeera)

Or our press could be lying (you know, the CyberGnu theory)

Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
King
Los Angeles
Apr 2000
time: 02:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:29 Visit Giancarlo's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#10 Report this post to a moderator
Tired of ads?

All I can say is Arafat is a bit too late for that? He should be kicked out of the region for good. He is a menace for the region and always has been.

SlowwHand is offline SlowwHand
King
of The Cooler
Sep 1999
time: 23:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:29 Visit SlowwHand's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#11 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

He "agrees" for now, because it suits his plan.

MBD is offline MBD
Chieftain

May 1999
time: 05:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:35
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#12 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I don't think he HAS a plan, certainly not a long-term one.

Kropotkin is offline Kropotkin
Emperor
of Ålidhem
Mar 1999
time: 06:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:39
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#13 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

If he has a long-term plan it's propably a quite unrealistic one. Not that he's alone with that in the area though. There's about 13 absurd ones on a dozen around the ME.

Eli is offline Eli
Emperor
Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:39
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#14 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

Oh he has... He has...

Attachment: 24.jpg
This has been downloaded 140 time(s).

markusf is offline markusf
King

Oct 1999
time: 05:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:40
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#15 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote:
Originally posted by SlowwHand
He "agrees" for now, because it suits his plan.



I dunno, i really don't think hes got that much control. Maybe now some of the more moderates are backing him, he can accept that plan.

Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
King
Los Angeles
Apr 2000
time: 02:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:45 Visit Giancarlo's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#16 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Arafat is no moderate. He is a terrorist.

markusf is offline markusf
King

Oct 1999
time: 05:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:47
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#17 Report this post to a moderator
Increase the size of your Attachments

quote:
Originally posted by Fez
Arafat is no moderate. He is a terrorist.


So is isreal, whats your point?

Arafat can't do a damn thing without having moderates on side. He basically has to ask permission before he's allowed to do anything.

Giancarlo is offline Giancarlo
King
Los Angeles
Apr 2000
time: 02:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 02:48 Visit Giancarlo's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#18 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Israel is the one being attacked by suicide bombers that kill innocent people.

My point is, Arafat is not a man capable of making peace.

DinoDoc is offline DinoDoc
Emperor
AECCP loves Democracy
Sep 1999
time: 23:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 03:03
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#19 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

If the plan was truely as unacceptable then as the people on this board have been making it out to be, why would he accept it now?

Other than that, the phrase Too little, too late springs to mind.

Bereta_Eder is offline Bereta_Eder
Prince

Oct 2000
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 03:05 Visit Bereta_Eder's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#20 Report this post to a moderator
Got spare money?

eli you have shown this pitcure of arafat like 5 times already

Eli is offline Eli
Emperor
Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 03:18
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#21 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
eli you have shown this pitcure of arafat like 5 times already


And I will keep showing it until all the pro-murder-of-3-years-old-children-only-because-their-israelis group starts waving Israeli flags.

Bereta_Eder is offline Bereta_Eder
Prince

Oct 2000
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 03:19 Visit Bereta_Eder's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#22 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

that was when araft was young, feverous, passionate amd easily carried away


(eer BTW im talking about the sign on his sleeve - because you'll twist my words for sure some of you )

(not that he may have absolutely not maybe something to do with teracts)

Last edited by Bereta_Eder on 22-06-2002 at 03:25

panag is offline panag
Emperor
MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 03:36 Visit panag's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#23 Report this post to a moderator
Remove this text

quote:
Originally posted by Eli


And I will keep showing it until all the pro-murder-of-3-years-old-children-only-because-their-israelis group starts waving Israeli flags.


hi ,

, is it possible to make that in a high quality avatar , ...

Paiktis22 , you remeber Athens airport , .....

mister , kill them all , for fun was behind that , ...

have a nice day and night

Bereta_Eder is offline Bereta_Eder
Prince

Oct 2000
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 03:41 Visit Bereta_Eder's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#24 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

the TWA?

I've read some of KYP and antiterrorista people talking about the days of the 80's and they described the situation (with islamic terrorist groups in Greece) as "zoferi" (=tres bad).

I'm so glad we got rid of them

panag is offline panag
Emperor
MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 03:44 Visit panag's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#25 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
the TWA?

I've read some of KYP and antiterrorista people talking about the days of the 80's and they described the situation (with islamic terrorist groups in Greece) as "zoferi" (=tres bad).

I'm so glad we got rid of them


hi ,

the shooting on the airport , ...

and one other thing in 1985 kip , aldo they denie it where able to shoot a guy in the airport terminal , restrooms , with 26 kilo's of semtex , ......
his friend escaped , but they cought up with him in Cyprus , .....

have a nice day

Sirotnikov is offline Sirotnikov
King
<--- Yes, It's a "kitty" in a boot.
Feb 2000
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 03:47
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#26 Report this post to a moderator
Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote:
Arafat can't do a damn thing without having moderates on side. He basically has to ask permission before he's allowed to do anything.




And who told you that?

panag is offline panag
Emperor
MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 03:49 Visit panag's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#27 Report this post to a moderator
Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote:
Originally posted by Sirotnikov
quote:
Arafat can't do a damn thing without having moderates on side. He basically has to ask permission before he's allowed to do anything.




And who told you that?


hi

he did not have any aids when he was in libanon in 1982 , or in tunis , ....

all one has to do is liten to his radio talks , and read the documents that have his signature on it , ...

have a nice day

Bereta_Eder is offline Bereta_Eder
Prince

Oct 2000
time: 07:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 03:54 Visit Bereta_Eder's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#28 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

panag, if arafat, somehow is no more the leader of the palestinian authority, who would you like in his position?

panag is offline panag
Emperor
MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:20
Arrow  Old Post 22-06-2002 04:01 Visit panag's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#29 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote:
Originally posted by paiktis22
panag, if arafat, somehow is no more the leader of the palestinian authority, who would you like in his position?


hi ,

, replace the spam with something else , ...

first of all the have the right to vote , like all citizens , ...

it should be someone who never had any blood on his or her hands , ...

and someone who is "elected" , ....

some-one who has a seat in the Knesset , ...

that should be a start , Sirotnikov , Eli , what do you say , ...

have a nice night

chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
King
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:20
  Old Post 22-06-2002 04:39 Visit chegitz guevara's homepage!
Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
#30 Report this post to a moderator
Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote:
Originally posted by DinoDoc
If the plan was truely as unacceptable then as the people on this board have been making it out to be, why would he accept it now?


He's an old man, maybe he wants to see an independent Palestine in his life time. It could be that he knew the Palestinian people wouldn't accept a defeatist plan without first being defeated. Maybe he wanted to be able to say to the Palestinian people "Hey, we tried," so that he won't be assassinated by militants (which he will anyway).

It really is a horrible plan.

 
Pages (4): [ 1   2   3   4   ]
< Last Thread     Next Thread > Post New Thread     Post A Reply
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:20.
Apolyton Time is 00:20.
    top of page
Rate This Thread:
archivepost
Forum Jump:
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
 




Contact Us - Apolyton Civilization Site - Support Us!

Building a better Apolyton through better information. Click here and take our poll!
Non-US visitors, click here!

Powered by: vBulletin Version 2.0.3
Copyright ©2000, 2001, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.

Page generated in 0.0537 seconds (92.41% PHP - 7.59% MySQL) with 31 queries
Page Loading Time:

Support Apolyton: Amazon USA | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon FR |
Support Apolyton and get FREE PLUS, Buy from Chips&Bits: Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition | Call to Power 2 | Civilization: The Boardgame | GURPS/ Alpha Centauri | Alpha Centauri | Civilization IV | Civilization III: Complete |


Front Page | Civilization IV | Civilization III | Civilization II | Call to Power II | Alpha Centauri | Master of Orion III
Rise of Nations | Galactic Civilizations | Galactic Civilizations II | Misc
Alt.Civs | Civ I | C:CtP I | About | News | Directory | Apolyton Store | Forums | Chat | Columns | Interviews | Newsletter
Scenario League | CSC | Clash of Civs | Spanish Site | CtP Maps | Cradle of Civ | WesW's Ctp1/2 Site | Civ3 Haven

apolyton.net | apolyton.com | civilization2.net | civilization3.net | civilization4.net | civilizationiv.info | calltopower.net | galciv.net | galciv2.net | moo3.net