01-07-2002 18:39									#1
	Official: Egypt to get nuclear (remember I posted intelligence about this?) Remove this text

Remember I posted a while ago a report that world intelligence agencies say that Egypt is getting ready to get nuclear?

Remember how you mocked me and called it nonsense?

Well:

Egypt set to build nuclear energy plant
Iran and Iraq the main spur to development, Israel is also a consideration.

By Daniel Sobelman (Ha'aretz)

Electricity and Energy Minister Dr. Hassan Ahmed Yunes has announced that Egypt will build a nuclear energy plant, the first such electricity generating facility in the country. It will be on the coast northwest of Alexandria.

Yunes announced the plant during a visit to the city on Saturday and said funds will also be allocated to repair and modernize the local electricity network. The minister's statement on the nuclear plant came a few days after a report in the German daily Die Welt said Egypt wants nuclear weapons.

The German report on June 22, quoting well-placed intelligence sources, said Egypt intended to manufacture enriched uranium with Chinese help.

(Remeber I told you about it? - Siro)

Cairo has not confirmed or denied the Die Welt report, but its official news agency said China had no intention of helping Egypt to produce enriched uranium. The news agency interviewed China's ambassador in Cairo, who said his country has signed the non-proliferation treaty (NPT), and operates according to it. The agency report alluded to the Die Welt article, without denying its contents.

Yunes' statement two days ago also came less than a year after the previous electricity and energy minister Ali el-Saiedi said Cairo intended to produce energy from nuclear power. But he said emphatically last August that Egypt had no plans to produce electricity from nuclear sources. El-Saiedi told Al-Wafd: "Thank God we have large quantities of gas and so we have the option of choosing between using these gas sources or building nuclear power facilities. The decision is based on economic considerations and in this respect, gas is a better option."

But el-Saiedi added that should Egypt decide to go ahead with plans for a nuclear plant, it would succeed "because we have no problem in terms of personnel and capabilities." El-Saiedi made his statement after Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak had signed an agreement in Moscow (on 27 April 2001) for Egyptian-Russian civilian nuclear cooperation.

Emily Landau, from the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies, last night said "if Egypt intends to develop nuclear military capabilities, there would be no surprise in reports from Egypt that they also want to use nuclear energy for civilian purposes."

Egypt's statements on nuclear matters are influenced by its signing of NPT, Landau said. She said if it were true that Egypt had decided to go for nuclear capabilities "its main motivation would derive from developments in the Gulf - that is, Iran and Iraq - and less from Israel."

But Landau said "Israel is not out of the picture" Egyptian officials look at when they consider nuclear possibilities.

	01-07-2002 18:42									#2
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Do you think it's wrong for Egypt to have nuclear weapons?

	01-07-2002 18:47									#3
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I read this too.

everyone's getting nuclear nowadays.

	01-07-2002 18:50									#4
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Why not build it near Assyut then have it "accidentally" blow up? A lot of fundamentalists could be gotten rid of that way.

	01-07-2002 18:52									#5
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you're one sick puppy

You do know about nuclear fall out, don't you?

	01-07-2002 19:05									#6
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Bad. Very bad.

The peace treaty was a huge mistake.

	01-07-2002 19:39									#7
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Eli - stupid, very stupid.


They want nuclear not feel threatened.
They aren't necessary against us.

Remember, that we have nukes alone since 1967, and egypt never peeped.

What caused them to suddenly want nukes?
The fact that Iraq is 80% there, Iran is 99% there, Lybia and Sudan are ~70% there.

(numbers are my assessments according to Mossad and other western intelligence reports published in the media)

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Bod - I'm not going to get into moral "how is it wrong" blah blah blah.

I trust Mubarak. He's a good rational fellow.

I don't know who is his successor and therefore do not want the possibility of nukes getting into the hands of zealots.

Remember, al-Qaida is based on Egyptian groups and activists. The 2nd in command in al-Qaida is an Egyptian PhD.

	01-07-2002 19:56									#9
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wasn't Al Qaida based on Saudi groups and activists mainly?

	01-07-2002 20:29									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov Eli - stupid, very stupid. They want nuclear not feel threatened. They aren't necessary against us. Remember, that we have nukes alone since 1967, and egypt never peeped. What caused them to suddenly want nukes? The fact that Iraq is 80% there, Iran is 99% there, Lybia and Sudan are ~70% there. (numbers are my assessments according to Mossad and other western intelligence reports published in the media)

Irrelevant, very irrelevant.

Any country in the region with nukes = existential danger to Israel. Peace or no peace.

	01-07-2002 20:34									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Eli Irrelevant, very irrelevant. Any country in the region with nukes = existential danger to Israel. Peace or no peace.

You are not very appreciate in the area, aren't you ?

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quote: Originally posted by Eli Irrelevant, very irrelevant. Any country in the region with nukes = existential danger to Israel. Peace or no peace.

Israel with nukes = existential danger to any country in the region. Fair is fair. If you can have 'em, so can Egypt.

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quote: Israel with nukes = existential danger to any country in the region

Correct.

quote: Fair is fair. If you can have 'em, so can Egypt.

Fair?FAIR? Why should any country in the middle east give a **** about fairness in existential matters?

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Why should Egypt give a **** that you're so upset over it, if it's an existential matter?

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quote: wasn't Al Qaida based on Saudi groups and activists mainly?

Egypt is more inspirational and that's where some of the leaders come from.

The Saudis provide drones (zealots). As do afghanis, pakistanis, chechen, Palestinians and so on.


Boris: it's not a "moral" matter.

No one expects that egypt gives a flying duck about Israel.

However, this is indeed a threat to Israel which Israel doesn't want to have. Purely subjective.

And objective, as a possible threat to free world, if fundies ever catch power in Egypt.

	01-07-2002 21:49									#16
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Eli = selfish ungreatful Israeli who thinks his nation is meant to sit on a pedastal

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Pedastal, even!

from Tom Lehrer's song, Who's Next?

Egypt's gonna get one, too,
Just to use on you-know-who,
So Israel's getting tense,
Want's one in self defense
"'The Lord's Our Shepherd' says the Psalm,
But just in case...we better get a bomb!"

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thanks, i thought it looked wrong

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quote: Originally posted by Eli Bad. Very bad. The peace treaty was a huge mistake.

Eygpt is a friend of us and at peace with Israel, I wouldnt fear nuclear weapons since its a civilian reactor. Besides, it wont be long before everyone of the arab countries will have there own Nuclear Reactors, you cant bomb them all? You wouldnt would you?

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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Eygpt is a friend of us and at peace with Israel,

De jure.
The only supporters of the peace and of America are the Egyptian goverment, not the people.

quote: I wouldnt fear nuclear weapons since its a civilian reactor.

The Dimona reactor is also a civilian one.

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So whats the feeling about the Iranian reactor that will be operational possibly next year. Will you bomb it? Im glad you got the Iraqi one.....that saved alot of lives and kept a madman at bay for sometime. But its impractical to go around bombing every Reactor in the arab world. Thats like stepping on fireant anthills in your yard, they'll just keep growing back and one day you kid will get bit.

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quote: Originally posted by faded glory So whats the feeling about the Iranian reactor that will be operational possibly next year. Will you bomb it?

I dont know. I called the IDF but they didnt want to tell me.

Seriously, I hope we will. Maybe the expected conflict with the Hizballah will provide the casus belli...
There was a lot of talking about the issue in the media, they could be preparing the public opinion, or maybe not.

Normally I would've said that our leaders wont take the chance because if something goes wrong, they'll get ****ed up in the next elections. But Sharon is too old anyway, so maybe...

Why dont you make a little surprise for us? In honor of 54 years of cooperation?

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All of ya'll should have your toys taken away. Those things will put an eye out you know.

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Cause, you can get away with bombing Arab Reactors. We cant, everybody gets mad if we do it. But you guys dont really care about your international image, thats what I and alot of other americans like Rambo Israel, so bomb away!

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quote: Originally posted by orange Eli = selfish ungreatful Israeli who thinks his nation is meant to sit on a pedastal

It's pedestal...

Boris led you astray...

	01-07-2002 23:25									#26
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Egypt is only as much a threat to stability with nukes as Israel is. And they might just bomb you back if you try anything...

	01-07-2002 23:27									#27
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Cause, you can get away with bombing Arab Reactors. We cant, everybody gets mad if we do it. But you guys dont really care about your international image, thats what I and alot of other americans like Rambo Israel, so bomb away!

Give us a couple of B-2s and we'll think about it.

The Iranis learned the Iraqi lesson, they dont hold everything concentrated in one place anymore. Though the reactor itself can still be bombed.

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Egypt is only as much a threat to stability with nukes as Israel is. And they might just bomb you back if you try anything...

So we agree.

One threat to stability is better than two. Let's bomb them.

	01-07-2002 23:33									#29
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Sigh. First you can bomb yourselves...

	01-07-2002 23:34									#30
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Bomb France for starting the ME nuclear arms race to begin with.