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Mr. Nice Guy is offline Mr. Nice Guy
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The scary thing is, you're serious!

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Are you really serious

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Harry Potter is a story a fiction, so he is not real so he can not be dangerous to anyone as people who read the books, know that it is fiction!

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It is scary that the moral extremists are taking this stance seriously.

And indeed it is only fiction, and harmless.

I am one who believes that Harry Potter has done more good for the world than harm, since it seems to have become the only book children actually enjoy reading.

I can tell you, my youngest brother was nearly illiterate throughout Primary school. Were it not for Harry Potter, he'd have a hell of a hard time reading. Kinda wish Harry Potter was around when I was young enough to be into that kind of thing.

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I bet if we didn't have laws against it, CLoud9 and his followers would burn the Harry Potter author at the stake.

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Why is evil a bad thing?

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that is unfair

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Evil is a bad thing because it causes harm to people.

Harry Potter is NOT evil, as it doesn't harm anyone.

Evil IMHO is doing things to intentionally harm another, not what the all-mighty god says is evil.

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Can Clould9 come up with an original troll, or does he have to rely on fundie sources?

Inquiring mind wants to know

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If you think Harry Potter is evil, check out my presentation of the ultimate "orphan-to-wizard-in-training" book, Krabat by Otfried Preussler. The presentation is located in the thread about the fifth HP book, started by monolith94.

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boy, it's sort of sad that millions of people would want to escape to some fantasy world where the supernatural reigns supreme and magic is all powerful. How far from the truth they have all been lead.

I'm of course talking about Christian fundies

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I bet if we didn't have laws against it, CLoud9 and his followers would burn the Harry Potter author at the stake.


Oh no, that is totally immoral. But I bet you'd burn Christians at the stake.

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From the linked article:
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Yet God is clear in Scripture that any practice of magic is an "abomination" to him. God doesn't distinguish between "white" and "dark" magic since they both originate from the same source.

Turning water into wine?
Parting seas?
Raising the dead?
Summoning a plague of locusts?
Turning sticks into snakes?

I could go on...

What's so ironic about this is that these guys think the Harry Potter books are evil only because they prefer another book: one which includes all of the above and also endorses genocide, eternal torture, the punishment of innocents for the crimes of others, human sacrifice...

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It is scary that the moral extremists are taking this stance seriously.

And indeed it is only fiction, and harmless.

I am one who believes that Harry Potter has done more good for the world than harm, since it seems to have become the only book children actually enjoy reading.

I can tell you, my youngest brother was nearly illiterate throughout Primary school. Were it not for Harry Potter, he'd have a hell of a hard time reading. Kinda wish Harry Potter was around when I was young enough to be into that kind of thing.


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'I don't think people fully realize what they're dealing with, and I think anyone who knows anything about spiritual warfare knows those books can open the door to spiritual bondage.' 'And I think it's worse that children are the target,' said Jessica Ruemler, a buyer for Living Water. 'It opens the doors for young minds. You put sorcery in, what do you expect to get out?'"


Yeah, good question. What do you expect to get out? Children are not born knowing right from wrong. They have to be taught by trial and error. When a child does wrong you punish the child. It's as simple as that.

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Turning water into wine?
Parting seas?
Raising the dead?
Summoning a plague of locusts?
Turning sticks into snakes?


Only God has the right to do magic because he is God. He is the all-powerful. If it hadn't been for God's powers the universe would have never existed.

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Only God has the right to do magic because he is God. He is the all-powerful. If it hadn't been for God's powers the universe would have never existed.


so god is omnibenevolent. That means that his actions are good. God does magic. Everything God does is good. Ergo, magic is good.

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That is so extremist. I could tell you the same thing, but I'm not gonna. All you wanna do is persecute Christians. That is so sad.

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Harry Potter is evil and LOTR is übermensch nazi claptrap... Yeah, right...

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so god is omnibenevolent. That means that his actions are good. God does magic. Everything God does is good. Ergo, magic is good.


Take a look at this: http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-occult.html

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Wasn't this an article in The Onion a while back? It's funnier when it's taken serious though!

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All you wanna do is persecute Christians. That is so sad.


All we want is for "Christians" to get their heads out of some ancient middle-astern superstition. Magic doesn't exist. Hence it isn't a threat and can't be bad.

How do you feel about C.S. Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia?

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Three other great British authors of the 20th century, J.R. Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, and Aldous Huxley attained fame for works of ficion by writing works that contain elements of magic which could be construed as paganistic, or at least anti-christian. Tolkien's works describe a detailed Pantheon of Gods and demonic figures. C.S. Lewis's Narnia books frequently invoke magic, and have an animal, Aslan the lion, as the penultimate god-figure. Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" seemingly glorifies an atheistic future world devoid of morals in which little children are actually encouraged to explore their sexuality.

Ironically these three men were charter members of a society at Oxford University which had as it's goal the re-establishment of Christian faith and ethics in a collegiate community which they saw as having become increasingly materialistic and anti-christian. Lewis in particular gained equal fame as the author of numerous works on the role of Christianity in the modern age.

Evidently writing about witches and magic don't make a person a pagan, nor are all tales that concern them necessarily anti-christian.

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Hey Cloud9, here's a chilling story detailing what happens to those exposed to the occult of Harry Potter (and D&D):

http://www.theescapist.com/random.htm


Horrible innit?

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Aeson:

That's what I thought it was going to be, but no...this is a different article. Pity. The Onion one was great...

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Assume for the moment that magic exists.

Assume also that God exists.








Phew. I did it. Now...

A kid reads a book that happens to discuss magic. The kid has the desire to become a wizard or whatever (I never read Harry Potter, I don't know what I'm talking about).

Now assume his parents taught him at a very young age what is right and what is wrong. The kid realizes that using magic could be wrong and decides its best to avoid it altogether.

The use of magic is averted. God is happy. And freedom of expression was not denied to those who have it.

Why? Because of good parenting. Good parenting can solve more problems then we know.

Burning books, ie destroying knowledge and encouraging ignorance, solves nothing, ever.

And now I can go back to my world devoid of magic and god. Ahh, so much more comfortable...

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Cloud9, with all due respect and seriousness, would you kindly get a life?

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Cloud9, with all due respect and seriousness, would you kindly get a life?


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I wonder what Cloud thinks about RPGs. He wouldn't know about the really cool stuff like Unknown Armies or Delta Green (nudge nudge wink wink), but surely he's heard about Dungeons & Dragons.

So how 'bout it dude?

 
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