11-07-2002 09:48									#31
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Do your represenatives shout things like "Why don't you ask your boyfriend!?" to male politicians?

	11-07-2002 09:49									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You haven't seen news clips of "debates" in Canada, have you? It's everyone screaming at eachother and yelling.

I have to admit I have not

I have only seen the US and UK debates

the UK debates are pretty funny

the US debates are fairly boring

Jon Miller

	11-07-2002 09:51									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Do your represenatives shout things like "Why don't you ask your boyfriend!?" to male politicians?

hmm, apparently you have more British style

I think we use to have it similiar (right before the civil war one man was almost beaten to death with a cain), but we have grown more civilised (in our politics) ...

Jon Miller

	11-07-2002 09:51									#34
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I like our diversity. It provides endless entertainment and stifles mindless flag-waving...

How does it do so?

I do not see the causality here

Jon Miller

	11-07-2002 09:52									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Do your represenatives shout things like "Why don't you ask your boyfriend!?" to male politicians?

Or, in response to Deborah Grey (an overweight opposition MP)talking about the federal government's "pork-barrel" practices: "speaking of pork, that's more than a side of bacon talking right there".

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Why must you fight so much, Jon? Are you applying for citizenship?

The Canadian Citizenship test involves a keg of beer, a hockey stick, and a beaver in heat. Are you ready?!

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The United States was created by a unified effort to kick out the Brits. That created the mythology of a unified people. Immigrants were welcomed, but were expected to conform to the American dream and the American way of life.

Canada was created by bringing two distinct people together: the predominately Protestent English and the Catholic French. As a result, it was impossible to create the belief that immigrants should conform to a Canadian identity because there was clearly two distinct identities. There was no way for Canadians to create the traditional mytholody of a nationhood where people shared common beliefs. So instead, Canadian created a more modern concept of nationhood where people are more likely to be tolerant towards others who hold different beliefs.

The willingness to tolerate different beliefs leads to an acceptence for debate.

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller hmm, apparently you have more British style I think we use to have it similiar (right before the civil war one man was almost beaten to death with a cain), but we have grown more civilised (in our politics) ... Jon Miller

Grown more civilized = grown less honest

But at the same time you have campaign attack ads that would never fly up here...

	11-07-2002 09:54									#39
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Ha haha HA

I will agree that your politics are funnier than ours

why do you think this is so?

Jon Miller

	11-07-2002 09:54									#40
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quote: The willingness to tolerate different beliefs leads to an acceptence for debate.

But I don't tolerate your beliefs.

	11-07-2002 09:55									#41
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Segregation may not be the right word. Canadians operate under very different legal frameworks as the provinces have more responsibilities and autonomy than the states do amongst themselves. The Quebec Roman Civil law base makes it unique, as is Newfoundland which was independent of Canada until 1949.

I think it is dangerous to make too many assumptions based on the four or five regular Canadian politics debaters. But it may be that as a very young country, one that is more regionalistic and less nationalistic than most, we are still developing and thinking a bit more about what we are and we stand for.

	11-07-2002 09:55									#42
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quote: Ha haha HA I will agree that your politics are funnier than ours why do you think this is so? Jon Miller

False dignity.

	11-07-2002 09:55									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The Canadian Citizenship test involves a keg of beer, a hockey stick, and a beaver in heat. Are you ready?!

Ack! I forgot about hockey. That's why we fight so much.

	11-07-2002 09:56									#44
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Grown more civilized = grown less honest But at the same time you have campaign attack ads that would never fly up here...

ok

I get it, our politicians just pay others to say what your politicians say right out

makes sense

Jon Miller

	11-07-2002 09:56									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller Ha haha HA I will agree that your politics are funnier than ours why do you think this is so? Jon Miller

Canadians learn to develop a sense of humor while we wait for the entrance to our igloos to dethawthaw each year.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher quote: The willingness to tolerate different beliefs leads to an acceptence for debate. But I don't tolerate your beliefs.

Yeah, but Albertans are much more like Americans.

	11-07-2002 09:58									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Canadians learn to develop a sense of humor while we wait for the entrance to our igloos to dethaw each year.

I used to have that problem until I bought an electric tunnel defroster from Canadian Tire. On special this week for 149.99 +GST.

	11-07-2002 09:58									#48
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No kiddin eh!
Good ol' CrappyTire. That's what Canada's all aboot!

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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai The United States was created by a unified effort to kick out the Brits. That created the mythology of a unified people. Immigrants were welcomed, but were expected to conform to the American dream and the American way of life. Canada was created by bringing two distinct people together: the predominately Protestent English and the Catholic French. As a result, it was impossible to create the belief that immigrants should conform to a Canadian identity because there was clearly two distinct identities. There was no way for Canadians to create the traditional mytholody of a nationhood where people shared common beliefs. So instead, Canadian created a more modern concept of nationhood where people are more likely to be tolerant towards others who hold different beliefs. The willingness to tolerate different beliefs leads to an acceptence for debate.

but we debate in the US also, we just don't seem to get our claws out

and where do you get that the US is less tolerant than Canada?

we have much less conflict with regards to culture than you do...

doesn' this mean we are more tolerant?

Jon Miller

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quote: we have much less conflict with regards to culture than you do...

Why are you so sure of that?

Look at your urban crime rates compared to Canada's. There's definitely culture clashes. Canada's involve politics, US' involve crime...

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You have race riots, but every time your politicians speak, they try to project that you're all one happy family. You have the greatest spread between rich and poor in the industrialised world, but according to the pundits, you're a classless society. On and on...

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller but we debate in the US also, we just don't seem to get our claws out and where do you get that the US is less tolerant than Canada? we have much less conflict with regards to culture than you do... doesn' this mean we are more tolerant? Jon Miller

My impression of the states is that people are expected to become American. There's less expectation for conformity in Canada.

	11-07-2002 10:03									#53
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let me get this right

you guys formed Canada from two different cultures (kinda like ths US was formed from two cultures, the South and the North)

this leads to much more conflict in debate and the like (with name calling and the like) (similiar to the US before and shortly after the Civil War)

and your diversity is segregated geographically (like the North and South before the Civil War)

I think I am noticing a trend here

my only question

which side is the North?

and which is the South?

Jon Miller

	11-07-2002 10:05									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Why are you so sure of that? Look at your urban crime rates compared to Canada's. There's definitely culture clashes. Canada's involve politics, US' involve crime...

I remember being warned about the crime in Vancouver (BC is the only place in Canada I have been to), so I think that it is just an issue of having a good size populace

Jon Miller

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The North/South difference is far less evident than the Canada issue, and there's more than two sides.

Alberta is far different, at least politically, than the rest of the "protestant English" provinces, for example.

It's a big mess, is what it is.

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller let me get this right you guys formed Canada from two different cultures (kinda like ths US was formed from two cultures, the South and the North)

The difference is you had a war that forced the Southerns to destroy the basis of their culture - slavery. After that, there was even greater pressure to create a unified national identity in order to preserve the nation.

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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai My impression of the states is that people are expected to become American. There's less expectation for conformity in Canada.

but see

they want to become american

(so apparently few want to become canadians?)

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller I remember being warned about the crime in Vancouver (BC is the only place in Canada I have been to), so I think that it is just an issue of having a good size populace Jon Miller

No, the crime RATE in major cities (Vancouver, Toronto) is still a fraction of the US major cities of the same size.

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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai The difference is you had a war that forced the Southerns to destroy the basis of their culture - slavery. After that, there was even greater pressure to create a unified national identity in order to preserve the nation.

so how are the provincial militias?



Jon Miller

	11-07-2002 10:08									#60
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Your analogy is completely flawed. In our history, the "North" (British) had unequivocably defeated the "South" (French) before our nation could even be formed. Since we're a tolerant people, (except for some nastiness with the Acadians) the French were allowed to keep their culture and customs, first in the Quebec Act, and then in the BNA. This has led to a healthy and spirited feeling of disunity...